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8143 messages, Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 20, 2008 5:51 am) Indeed folks are NARCOTIZED into Zombie like mantras against what you, and others have been saying all along. The % and numbers of gassers cars is literally 99x greater than diesel passenger cars. Logic would have the majority of passenger cars pollution being caused by the 98% of the passenger vehicle fleet burning more consumptive RUG to PUG!!!!! Yet those that don't want others to consider diesel cars to outright anti diesel are almost cult like in their mantra that diesel cars which are app 1% of the passenger vehicle fleet cause the majority of the air pollution. Absolutely and TOTALLY preposterous! Indeed no study has shown that cars like Prius have even made a MEASURABLE effect on the LA air pollution index, let alone a statistically correlated link. Indeed during this time the diesel passenger vehicle fleet has actually gone DOWN 33% !!!!(from less than 3% of the passenger vehicle fleet to 2%) Needless to say the hybrid population has gone UP !!!!! In addition use of bio diesel actually emits less pollution that electric CARS according to the Harvard study cited in a previous post. NON MITIGATED mass transit, trains, ships, airplanes, farming, construction equipment, even unmitigated fire place use, etc which has been "regulated" (aka unregulated) continues unabated.
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Diesels (Still) Equal Savings
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Replying to: moparbad (Jun 20, 2008 8:14 am) The biggest plus is when diesel drops below gas again, and it will, you are really knocking them dead.
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Replying to: moparbad (Jun 20, 2008 8:14 am) 1. Environmentalists have consistently seeked to increase regulations 2. the cost of regulations 3. cost of doing business 4. higher cost of cars 5. advocate higher price per gal (with the REAL and more important price per mile driven) going UP. 6. since Hurricane Katrina the prices have almost gone up exponentially. 7. Indeed the passenger diesel car fleet has gone down 33% and voile, the air pollution has actually gone UP!!! This is of course with the best sales/population of hybrids ever!!! More than ever before D2 is the fuel for at least the next generation if not two generations!! (30-60 years- biblically 40-80 years) 1. less consumption, diesel is 20-40% better than like model RUG to PUG (which is better/worse 50 mpg/29 mpg? 98% of folks will chose the fuel source that gets 29 mpg. MORE IS better!?) 2. biodiesel has less emissions than electric cars, the acknowledge "holy grail" of environmental correctness 3. another is a diesel engine CAN/SHOULD be a portal to use of alternative fuel: biodiesel to name one, a. Bio diesel is "renewable" b. can be adapted from long standing waste streams (lists too long, capable making ones eyes glass over) c.. can be adapted to future waste streams d.. actually consumes C02 and yields oxygen on the production side Might be hosts of good reasons why they are trying to make it economically not viable, limit to outright banning its use.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 20, 2008 8:46 am) |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 20, 2008 8:55 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 20, 2008 9:11 am) Actually the idea of a station wagon is growing on me. I guess for me one impediment is still the "exposed" boot. But I think it WAS as basic as station wagons are for "OLD" folks. Now that I am WAY passed 30 (I was 12 when I formed the opinion) , this at least really ceases to be an impediment. 
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 20, 2008 7:06 am) Mass transit bus emissions have been regulated for a LONG time. California has required different engine/emissions calibrations for 30 years, and the venerable 2-stroke Detroit Diesel, which had been the workhorse of the American transit bus industry for 50 years, was rendered obsolete by the 1994 emissions rules. kcram - Pickups Host
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Replying to: kcram (Jun 20, 2008 9:59 am) It looked to be 20 years old.  The BIGGEST milestone change has been going from LSD 500 ppm-140 ppm) to ULSD (15 ppm or less) since Oct 2006. The point has been made that change should have been done a minimum of 30 years ago. So we have at least 30 years of "mitigated" unmitigated regulation. However LSD and above is still being used AND by law. Bunker oil is still being used on ships/military ships for example. (INXS of 5000 ppm) The real questions, were all of them swapped out to the latest diesel engines or are they grand fathered till they die? For example (all) mass transs/school buses have not undergone (new) diesel retro fits. Essentially the "upgrades" have been to run the ULSD, for optimization to be sure!! This is to limit equipment damage costs ! TILL that time, there are still a lot of older type (unmitigated) diesels in the mix. You and I would probably agree burning ULSD IS FAR better than LSD and above. Let me use the 2003 TDI for example, I ran the majority of miles on LSD while it had/has been designed for a LONG time to be run on ULSD. It would be a no brainer to say that my pollution has dropped 97% just on the switch. (500 ppm to 15 ppm or less) So rather than be applauded for MASSIVE decreases, they are vilified for being less than clean. Indeed these points have been made in past posts. Still the majority of what causes the REAL pollution is regulated/mitigated, to be unmitigated; sort of a " yes we HAVE no banana's today" !! Indeed a total no brainer now is RUG to PUG (30 ppm) is 2x DIRTIER than ULSD (30 ppm vs 15 ppm). Compared to bio diesel (5-ZERO ppm), RUG to PUG is essentially exponentially (6x) to off the charts dirtier !! So how much more a gal would it cost to get RUG to PUG at parity to ULSD!!!?? This is potentially explosive especially in today's high per gal RUG to PUG prices. |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 20, 2008 9:22 am) About 10 days ago the wife and I looked at the new (gas version) VW Spotswagon and even the (anti station wagon) wife was impressed. She kind of feels like you do, old people’s car. I don’t have the heart or the guts to tell her the car is now “age appropriate”.  We did not get to take a really good look by sitting in it, etc. as they were getting it ready for a customer to take a test drive, but if it comes in about $25k to $27K it might be well worth waiting for. |
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