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Re: Will VW beat the pack to 50 state diesels? [gagrice] by jkinzel
Jun 19, 2008 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 19, 2008 6:55 am)

I wonder what kind marketing strategy VW will go with: Provide dealers with a small inventory of TDI’s to be sold at a premium, or use the diesel staved US to increase market share.
 
If they go the “premium” route, they may not get my money as I don’t play when it is MSRP +.
 
I also believe that diesel buyers are a small number and those on the fence only looking at pump prices are going to baulk at buying if diesel $0.50 more a gallon than RUG.
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Re: Will VW beat the pack to 50 state diesels? [jkinzel] by ruking1
Jun 19, 2008 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 19, 2008 7:39 am)

I have heard 23% diesel of total (in this case Jetta production) bantered about. Not even a clue if that is true.
 
I hear you about the MSRP + pricing . It was indeed a factor in not getting the 2004 Prius. I probably would NOT have gotten the 2003 TDI if they demanded MSRP + pricing.
 
As for your last remark, it is indeed true.
 
While I have NOT seen the new 2009 MY, all indicators point to the VW diesels (Jetta specifically) to have a host of improvements over say the 2003 MY Jetta TDI. To make a long story short, I am excited about its debut.
 
1. They have kept the price the same (2003 MY) (sans the march of real inflation 3% per year. ( SO a 4k rise 667 per year)
 
2. redesigned the engine (aka" clean diesel" ) even as if the older design was clean
 
3. redesigned the rest of the vehicle
 
3. power increase is MONSTER ( 38%- 250 # ft vs 155# ft torque)
 
4. It is more BMW like,
 
5. quality is better,
 
6. indications by way of MY's 2003,2004, 2005,2006,2007,2008, the reliability has gotten better. JD Powers, etc.
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Re: Will VW beat the pack to 50 state diesels? [ruking1] by altair4
Jun 19, 2008 (9:41 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 19, 2008 7:59 am)

Awhile back, I read somewhere on the interwebs that VWoA was pressuring their dealers to NOT go to MSRP + pricing. Maybe with the current price of fuel, that won't be a problem. My plans are to wait a bit, like a model year or so. That way, the initial pent-up demand might be met, the "bugs" will be worked out, the techs will get a little more up to speed, and the price of fuel relative to RUG will settle down.
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Re: Will VW beat the pack to 50 state diesels? [altair4] by ruking1
Jun 19, 2008 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: altair4 (Jun 19, 2008 9:41 am)

Indeed, as I look back over the paperwork, the 2003 TDI I bought DID have the MSRP + mark up. I think VW is working aggressively to get rid of lingering "bad taste" issues. The bad news of course is in the numbers/ratios: one person who has bad experiences tells 10 (or more) one person who has good experiences tells 3 (or less) , so it continues to be an uphill battle.
 
I will probably do what you will do and WAIT, I backed into one of the best MY's, the 2003. But I didn't so much wait as decided to get the 2003 in 2003, which HAPPENED/S to be one of VW's better efforts. I only tell folks who really seem curious what my VW experiences are, otherwise mumm's the word.
 
I do get the occasional STOP you are putting DIESEL in your tank routine and even had it jerked out of my hands once.
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Re: Oil Sands - Diesel Fuel [ruking1] by avalon02wh
Jun 19, 2008 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 18, 2008 8:00 pm)

It does show huge potential. The latest I read was the algaewheel.
 
http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=29901
 
It is too bad a certain group of people don't believe in science based R&D. We would be a lot further along had the scientists been given the funding.
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Re: Oil Sands - Diesel Fuel [avalon02wh] by ruking1
Jun 19, 2008 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 19, 2008 1:59 pm)

Fuels, fertilizer, from waste water treatment plants would be an absolute on going R & D no brainer, unless "product" collection will CEASE...NOT! Natch this would apply to livestock gathering points also. To state the obvious it is renewable, eats C02, produces oxygen, production is also dense. Perhaps I missed it but with a capacity of 2.25M gal of waste water per day, what would be the potential daily,weekly,monthly yearly projection of fuels (what type) and fertilizer projected production?
 
Folks can goggle this but 30,000 gal per "acre" of hydroponic would be the goal. Benchmark is currently at 15,000 gals per "acre" of hydroponic.
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Re: Oil Sands - Diesel Fuel [avalon02wh] by gagrice
Jun 19, 2008 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 19, 2008 1:59 pm)

Looks like a good solution to the wastewater treatment business, with the side benefit of producing usable products.
 
Who would you include in the group that don't believe in science based R&D? Do you think Algaewheel is result of science based R&D or someone looking to create a solution to a problem?
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Re: TDI and EPA mpg rating [moparbad] by avalon02wh
Jun 20, 2008 (2:20 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Jun 18, 2008 6:19 pm)

"EPA folks are not getting 70 mpg."
 
The ones that drive a Prius can get 70 mpg.
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Re: Oil Sands - Diesel Fuel [gagrice] by avalon02wh
Jun 20, 2008 (2:52 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 18, 2008 7:41 pm)

"Our hope for diesel in the future may be from Natural Gas as is being done in Qatar currently. "
 
Will we have enough natural gas to make diesel? Don't hold your breath.
 
In the Middle East they are using the NG for integrated refinery-petrochemical facilities and oil-fired power plants. They are heading for a shortage.
 
"Gas shortages in the Middle East could also have big implications globally, impacting future regional projects aiming to meet demand elsewhere. "
 
http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Business_Feature/10216795.html
 
Canadian oil sands are continuing to use more and more NG. Our populations continue to grow. More people need more NG for heating and electrical generation. And if they start converting NG to hydrogen there will be even less available. I would not expect a lot of NG to diesel given the current state of the market.
 
"Natural gas consumption will rise more rapidly than the 1.6% annual gain in energy demand for the next 25 years, according to the Energy Information Administration. Expect prices to do the same."
http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/06/19/natural-gas-hydrogen-biz-energy-cx_wp_0620- natgas.html
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Re: More German pollution info current as of 6-13-2008 [larsb] by scwmcan
Jun 20, 2008 (3:13 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 17, 2008 12:04 pm)

Sorry this is a late reply, but you will find studies of this sort in north america to, living near major roads is not really healthy for kids (or anyone else for that matter) wether by diesel powered traffic or gas powered traffic, so sorry but unless you have a source that says it is worse over there this is a draw.

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