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I just got a price quote from T&C Jeep in Portland. The diesel added $2000 to the price. It would be nice to have that power plant in the Chrysler Aspen & Pacifica. The Liberty diesel was an experiment to see whether consumers would be willing to pay an extra $1,500 for a diesel vehicle. It worked well enough for Chrysler to release the diesel Grand Cherokee, which costs an extra $3,000 and is expected to save drivers $592 a year on fuel. Diesels make up less than 0.5% of the cars produced in North America. Diesel car production is expected to increase to 15% by 2015 and 18% by 2020, according to estimates from the University of Michigan’s Transportation Research Institute. Offering an average of 30% better fuel efficiency than gasoline engines, diesels are a good gasoline alternative for highway driving. |
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This may be why so many truck engines have failed recently. Not because of the ULSD. DETROIT -- Scientists hope the coming flood of diesel-powered vehicles to North American car dealerships sheds further light on a little-known problem with fuel made from the Canadian oilsands. Diesel fuel made from 100 per cent oilsands petroleum has been causing injector malfunctions and other problems in some diesel truck engines in Alberta, an international conference of engineers heard Monday. The problems disappear when the pure Alberta fuel is mixed with diesel from anywhere else in the world. The problems are believed to be linked to the molecular structure of fuels derived from the oilsands, and the process used to extract it. Oilsands diesel |
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Replying to: moparbad (Apr 17, 2007 2:52 am) with the oil companies already out there saying it'll cost more to ramp up production of diesel, does anyone really think they there will be a cost savings in the use of diesel fuel? you just know that the oil companies will start pricing diesel at a 10-30% percent premium to gas. There will still be a savings in fuel usage (which is admirable), but not likely much if any in cost. the thing i don't understand about that is that I keep hearing diesel is a natural byproduct of the refining process and on occasion its also cheaper to make. Seems to me like they are setting up diesel to fail.
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Replying to: bc13 (Apr 18, 2007 6:16 am) The short and long answers are yes. Not to get off topic/thread here, but I think it will follow the (for example) Toyota Prius/Chevrolet Corvette/Z06 paths, for a while. Notably Prius' are currently selling at invoice; down from MSRP PLUS. |
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Replying to: bc13 (Apr 18, 2007 6:16 am) I am not sure where you are but in So CA diesel today is about 29 cents less per gallon than Regular Unleaded. That with an additional 18 cents per gallon tax on diesel. So it is cheaper part of the year. With the added increase in mileage it is a good deal. For the average car or truck gas would have to be 25% less expensive to be equal. I have not seen a gap that big ever. At the current price of diesel gas would have to be a dollar per gallon cheaper. That could be the reason they sell so many diesel PU trucks. The major reason that diesel is more expensive in the winter is the demand for heating oil. Here are the charts. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp |
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bc13, D-C can use any reason it wants to charge $3k premium for the grand-cherokee diesel engine - remember that whole "free market" thing we've got here in USA!? 23 mpg sounds great compared to the 17 mpg for the gasser version. 30% improvement! niiiiice! the application of proper arithmetic can tell you after how many miles there will be a cost savings, assuming current diesel & gasoline prices. if you want one of us diesel fiends to do the math for you, just follow up again and ask nicely and either me or someone else will calculate the answer. ttfn! |
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Nissan will offer a diesel in the Maxima in 2009 for 2010 model year. This is a surprise as Nissan has tested and considered selling the Titan, the Frontier and Navarra with diesel as well as several SUV's, however, out of the blue they announce the Maxima. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Nissan plans U.S. clean diesel vehicle in 2010 Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. will launch its first clean diesel vehicle in the United States in 2010, CEO Carlos Ghosn said today. Speaking to the Council on Foreign Relations, Ghosn said Nissan would launch a diesel Maxima in the U.S. market and other clean diesel vehicles in Japan and China. The company already has clean diesel technology in its cars sold in Europe. "We are very confident about the potential benefits," Ghosn said, referring to growing U.S. demands to increase fuel efficiency and reduce greenhouse gases. Ghosn is also CEO of Renault SA. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Nissan Maxima Diesel USA TODAY article
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Replying to: moparbad (Apr 18, 2007 7:15 am) I would further swag whom so ever comes up with the diesel in the so called "small car economy" sector will have a literal lock on the "category. Why VW has not been able to leverage their offerings in the "small car economy" sector in this light is beyond me. The Jetta, Beetle, Golf, gets anywhere from (my 2003 Jetta) 44-62 mpg! MONSTER! |
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Replying to: bc13 (Apr 18, 2007 6:16 am) You are wrong on one point though. There will be a huge savings on the use of diesel fuel, unfortunately it will go to the oil companies and car mfgs., not the consumer. I am also a diesel fiend but I know that the oil companies will overcharge us for diesel and the car mfgs. will overcharge us for the diesel option. The old saying is true, if you want to save money...it's gonna cost you!! |
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The market/s vote/s overwhelmingly for auto transmissions, despite its compelling disadvantage/s. Purely from a EPA mpg rating point of view, one important sub issue would be the mating of the proper (automatic) transmissions to the diesel power plant. There are few oem's that do this well. The only one that I know of personally is (gasser) Honda. I think the EPA mpg difference (same model) is -1 mpg for the automatic. I would even go so far as to say if the VW did not come with the manual option, the automatic, while still offering a (slight) mpg advantage over a similar Honda Civic, would not have penciled out as well as a 5 speed manual.
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