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Re: Bio diesel (no longer) out of the garage. [hypnosis44] by bristol2
Apr 16, 2007 (7:37 pm)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 16, 2007 12:23 pm)

I think you may have misunderstood.
 
The industrial food business produces waste in the shape of parts and fats and unused by-product that may or may not end up in dog food, cattle feed etc. The companies involved are using those products towards a fuel instead of pet food or simply dumping it.
 
Additionally large amounts of oils (vegetable) are used in the production of such delicacies as chicken tenders, this is a profit making outlet for the used by-product.
 
The plan is not the production of animals for fuel. It the use of the byproducts from the creation of the finished product.
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Re: Bio diesel (no longer) out of the garage. [bristol2] by gagrice
Apr 16, 2007 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: bristol2 (Apr 16, 2007 7:37 pm)

Anything we can use that was wasted is good. Removing the skin and fat from a chicken to use as fuel would be good for our health also. As much as I may like the taste it is not healthy to eat. I doubt all that byproduct is good for our pets either. Burning it in a car makes more sense.
 
I do not think that a lot of folks understand that making biodiesel is not a new process. Most of these formulas were used decades ago. Just like making diesel from coal was used heavily by the Germans in WW2. It all has to do with being cost effective. Taking little baby steps into different aspects of using waste products is wiser than jumping in with billions of tax dollars given to mega corporations with little to show after a few years.
 
A good example is Kettle Chips in Oregon. They own a fleet of VW Beetle diesels. They run them on their used oil from making potato chips. They power part of their operation with Solar. No tax dollars wasted just good solid environmentalism. And it pays off. Great chips also.
 
http://www.kettlefoods.com/index.php?cID=19
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Diesel News by moparbad
Apr 17, 2007 (2:52 am)
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A general Pros and Cons article on Diesel in Detroit News
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Re: Diesel News [moparbad] by ruking1
Apr 17, 2007 (5:50 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Apr 17, 2007 2:52 am)

..."That estimate could be a big hurdle to the automakers realizing previously stated goals of dramatically increasing diesel penetration in the U.S. fleets. Several estimates have predicted that by 2015, 15 percent of passenger cars and 25-28 percent of light trucks will have diesel engines.
 
In recent years, the rate of growth in diesel use has been outpacing that of gasoline use, especially as commercial trucking payloads have increased under a strong U.S. economy.
 
Americans use 140 billion gallons of petroleum a year -- or more than 20 million barrels of oil a day. Estimates suggest use will top 200 billion gallons in the next decade as the number of vehicle miles rises by 2 percent yearly."...
 
Well I think on threads like these we have seen the utterly simple to the multiple layered complexity... to the absurdly ridiculous.
 
So if it is true the USA using 140 B gals of (gasser) petro per year, is it a good/bad thing to use 30-40% less? Is there a greater/lesser consequence to lesser byproducts!?
 
Pretty simple if you ask me.
 
But then with the GASSER passenger vehicle fleet at UPWARDS of 97%; inertia is a very potent force. Passenger diesels at less than 3% of the passenger vehicle fleet has/have never been the problem, despite loud and vocal protestations from the gasser folks and those who stand to lose have maintained. I would ask the gasser naysayers to... do the math.......
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Re: Bio diesel (no longer) out of the garage. [hypnosis44] by ruking1
Apr 16, 2007 (12:37 pm)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 16, 2007 12:23 pm)

Most folks are not sure why you even thought there was a coupon for "FREE LUNCHS" in fuel substitutes. All you really had to do was take ethanol as an example. FED STATE and LOCAL subsidies, as well as higher per gal prices and 25% less efficiency than unleaded regular, does not spell "free lunch". It can be seen as giving a reward for "changing" behavior.
 
For change of behavior toward diesel, not much is really required as for ethanol. Just let diesel models be available, let them get 30-40% fuel economy over like unleaded regular models. If you want to accelerate the changeover, cut the tax rate and %. This is too sensical and logical which translates to politically impossibility.
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Re: Bio diesel (no longer) out of the garage. [moparbad] by hypnosis44
Apr 17, 2007 (9:52 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Apr 16, 2007 5:42 pm)

That does not please me at all. I appreciate the interchange, no matter what its form, as being part of the American ethos. Next time.
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SOMETIMES INTERESTING PETROLEUM LINK by hypnosis44
Apr 17, 2007 (10:56 am)
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Here is a link to a news letter on oil companies. Sometimes interesting, sometimes not, sometimes waiting for the spaceships. I post it only for the future reference and interest of others as it may be to far off topic, although the subject certainly affects diesels prospects.
 
http://www.oilwatchdog.org/?topicId=8055&/Chevron
 
Separately; I was able to offer some assistance to a friend who wanted to buy a used diesel. She settled on a pristine 2002 GTI with 48K from an original owner. It would not be my choice for congested city driving, (I am using the bus!) but she is ecstatic! and what else really matters to an individual? She is running 10% Bio Diesel available locally.
 
Question: As BD tends to dislodge fuel line build up in older cars that have not run BD, which can then foul fuel injectors, should she change the fuel filter now or later? At 10-20% concentration, is it even a concern?
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Re: SOMETIMES INTERESTING PETROLEUM LINK [hypnosis44] by winter2
Apr 17, 2007 (5:47 pm)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 17, 2007 10:56 am)

B10 should have little or no impact on the long term durability. Biodiesel in much higher concentrations, say closer to 80 or more percent can have a solvent effect and loosen up any grunge in the fuel tank and fuel line. This grunge will be caught by the fuel filter and it may need to be changed. The injectors should remain unharmed. 2002 GTI? Not a diesel but a gasser. I think you meant TDI.
 
I run B5 or B10 every fourth or fifth tankful and so far no issues. I have run as high as B40 once and there was no detrimental effect. I will be changing the fuel filter in the next couple of weeks and let you know how it looks.
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Re: SOMETIMES INTERESTING PETROLEUM LINK [winter2] by hypnosis44
Apr 17, 2007 (7:55 pm)
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Replying to: winter2 (Apr 17, 2007 5:47 pm)

Thanks for the info.
 
My error; of course it is a TDI not a GTI.
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Re: SOMETIMES INTERESTING PETROLEUM LINK [hypnosis44] by bristol2
Apr 18, 2007 (5:26 am)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 17, 2007 10:56 am)

I agree that B10 should not have much impact.
 
Higher concentrations, and certainly at B100, requires more adjustments. Fuel filter should be replaced and rubber seals need to be replaced with teflon coated seals to prevent the cleaning characteristic of the bio fuel from eating away the rubber.
 
These adjustments have been an impediment to wide-scale use of B100 in a lot of big-rig fleets.

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