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SOMETHING TO CONSIDER by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Apr 14, 2007 12:54 pm)

"Once buyers learn that "diesel" encompasses bio diesel which US farmers can produce, we will be going diesel. I had much rather make some US farmer rich in lieu of some terror supporting nation."
 
Apparently terrorism is a valid subject for this site as it has been mentioned so many times by so many posters. As we speak there are demonstration in Mexico against the rising price of corn meal. American farmers are planting more "Bio corn" and less food corn because the price is better and likely to be more predictable, and the crops are easier to grow. Note that currently it is used primarily to produce ethanol for gas vehicles. Other types of crops could be substituted, but any reliance on crop land for fuel means less crop land available for food production, however marginal. With 16,000 children in the world starving to death everyday (Recent UN estimate) do any of us begin to feel like terrorists in our reliance on any automobile that depends on agriculture to sustain itself? Doesn't it seem that at some point severe legal restrictions will be placed on the automobile including diesel, and the unmentionable other car words?
 
As for making US farmers rich through framing for bio fuels: the vast majority of farming is done by US corporations, not US farmers.
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DISCUSSION OF THE "UNAMABLE" by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (2:58 pm)
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Question for the HOST: Will a discussion of Mercedes' tentative plans for a BLUETEC/"Unamable" S-Class be allowed here, or is it off topic?
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Re: biodiesel to cut CO2 in Ireland [gagrice] by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 14, 2007 11:41 am)

"In Europe, the average economy of private vehicles is 42 mpg, nearly double the U.S.'s 24 mpg, largely due to their reliance on efficient, next-generation, clean-burning diesel engines."
 
I have been unable to verify the 42 vs 24 numbers. But for discussions sake, I wonder if an analysis of the comparitive size and weight of the vehicles might indicate that the European vehicle fleet is on average newer, smaller, and lighter than the American fleet and that that contributes very significantly to increased average fuel economy?
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Re: DISCUSSION OF THE "UNAMABLE" [hypnosis44] by kcram HOST
Apr 14, 2007 (5:05 pm)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 14, 2007 2:58 pm)

That's probably a better discussion for the Hybrid Vehicles Board, or you can make a separate discussion here in the Diesels Group for diesel-hybrids. Since the Bluetec is already established, it's the use of it as a hybrid power base that's the news.
 
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Re: DISCUSSION OF THE "UNAMABLE" [kcram] by gagrice
Apr 14, 2007 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: kcram (Apr 14, 2007 5:05 pm)

We do have a "Hybrid Diesel" thread. It gets pretty heated at times. I would suggest this thread for those that like complexity in their diesel vehicles.
 
pf_flyer, "Hybrid Diesels?" #376, 3 Dec 2006 7:26 am
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Re: biodiesel to cut CO2 in Ireland [hypnosis44] by gagrice
Apr 14, 2007 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 14, 2007 1:19 pm)

Google and ye shall receive!
 
Scientists believe carbon dioxide is one of the main greenhouse gases contributing to global warming. Neat biodiesel (100% biodiesel) reduces carbon dioxide emissions by more than 75% over petroleum diesel. Using a blend of 20% biodiesel reduces carbon dioxide emissions by 15%.
 
Biodiesel also produces fewer particulate matter, carbon monoxide, and sulfur dioxide emissions (all air pollutants under the Clean Air Act).
 
Since biodiesel can be used in conventional diesel engines, the renewable fuel can directly replace petroleum products; reducing the country's dependence on imported oil.
 
Biodiesel offers safety benefits over petroleum diesel because it is much less combustible, with a flash point greater than 150°C, compared to 77°C for petroleum diesel. It is safe to handle, store, and transport.

 
http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/altfuel/bio_benefits.html
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Re: biodiesel to cut CO2 in Ireland [gagrice] by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 14, 2007 5:46 pm)

Thank you. That was useful.
 
After several hours of searching and weeding I located this as well - you may already have it.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel
 
I am also searching for current similar environmental comparisons of gas to petroleum diesel - not to be debated here, but for my own elucidation.
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Re: biodiesel to cut CO2 in Ireland [hypnosis44] by gagrice
Apr 14, 2007 (6:39 pm)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 14, 2007 6:23 pm)

My personal feeling is, we should use the massive amounts of waste vegetable oil and grease first for biodiesel. One of the early adopters of biodiesel is Pacific Biodiesel of Hawaii. He is the one that turned Willie onto the stuff. Great story, and no food stocks are used.
 
http://www.biodiesel.com/
 
Pacific Biodiesel, Inc. was born in 1996 as the answer to grave concerns over potential environmental and health problems resulting from restaurant grease clogging the Central Maui Landfill. Robert King, owner of King Diesel on Maui, who was contracted to maintain the generators at the Landfill, decided to do something about it.
 
The small scale, economically feasible Maui operation was recognized by biodiesel authorities nationwide as one of the first commercially viable biodiesel plants in the U.S. In 1997, Japanese businessman Soichiro "Sol" Yoshida contracted Pacific Biodiesel to design and build a similar plant for his Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise in Nagano, Japan. (That plant now processes used cooking oil from 60 restaurants, producing biodiesel that completely powers one KFC restaurant as well as many cars, trucks, and industrial engines.)
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Re: Another good policy [jkinzel] by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (8:22 pm)
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Replying to: jkinzel (Apr 06, 2007 12:54 pm)

"The result is anything but green."
 
Agreed. Also, the perception of the indispensability of the automobile is at the heart of our auto dependency. The massive investment to "perfect" and rationalize the irrational could have long ago mitigated most of our transportation problems and issues had it been wisely directed.
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Re: Sounds like, looks like, feels like.... [gagrice] by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (8:34 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 07, 2007 8:07 pm)

"He has never had a balanced approach on the subject of diesel cars."
 
My post dealt with the absence of inclusionary discussion, not the balance in his posts, where he did however state that he felt diesels had a place, but were not the be all and end all.
 
I do not see that same inclusion here, but a general dismissal of Hybrids, and gas cars for that matter, as a part of the pantheon of choices.
 
"Plus you would be saving on fossil fuel for yourself and for your children."
 
I think the real savings is going to come as a severe jolt to most of us when the artificial dependence on the automobile is cracked. As much as I love cars, and have since I could see one, I hope my grandchildren, now six and two, see that day.

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