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Re: biodiesel to cut CO2 in Ireland [hypnosis44] by gagrice
Apr 14, 2007 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 14, 2007 12:56 pm)

If you mean vetted source. I accepted the Irish newspaper article as printed and posted it as diesel news. I am sure you can google and verify that what they said is factual.
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Re: Thanks to TagMan [bristol2] by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (1:14 pm)
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Replying to: bristol2 (Apr 06, 2007 7:34 am)

"The 2007 World Green Car Award goes to the Mercedes E320 BlueTec DIESEL"
 
I am wondering what scientific or environmental qualifications a panel of 44 auto journalists might have that gives the award any significant meaning. I think a similar panel gave the 1960 Corvair an award for being the most inovative.
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Re: biodiesel to cut CO2 in Ireland [gagrice] by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (1:19 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 14, 2007 1:12 pm)

In the words of my grandfather "Paper will stand still for anything one wishes to put on it." I have been unable to validate the statement in the Irish press. And since this is "Diesel's in the news" it seemed that someone might be able to further the cause by providing the information.
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SOMETHING TO CONSIDER by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Apr 14, 2007 12:54 pm)

"Once buyers learn that "diesel" encompasses bio diesel which US farmers can produce, we will be going diesel. I had much rather make some US farmer rich in lieu of some terror supporting nation."
 
Apparently terrorism is a valid subject for this site as it has been mentioned so many times by so many posters. As we speak there are demonstration in Mexico against the rising price of corn meal. American farmers are planting more "Bio corn" and less food corn because the price is better and likely to be more predictable, and the crops are easier to grow. Note that currently it is used primarily to produce ethanol for gas vehicles. Other types of crops could be substituted, but any reliance on crop land for fuel means less crop land available for food production, however marginal. With 16,000 children in the world starving to death everyday (Recent UN estimate) do any of us begin to feel like terrorists in our reliance on any automobile that depends on agriculture to sustain itself? Doesn't it seem that at some point severe legal restrictions will be placed on the automobile including diesel, and the unmentionable other car words?
 
As for making US farmers rich through framing for bio fuels: the vast majority of farming is done by US corporations, not US farmers.
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DISCUSSION OF THE "UNAMABLE" by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (2:58 pm)
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Question for the HOST: Will a discussion of Mercedes' tentative plans for a BLUETEC/"Unamable" S-Class be allowed here, or is it off topic?
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Re: biodiesel to cut CO2 in Ireland [gagrice] by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 14, 2007 11:41 am)

"In Europe, the average economy of private vehicles is 42 mpg, nearly double the U.S.'s 24 mpg, largely due to their reliance on efficient, next-generation, clean-burning diesel engines."
 
I have been unable to verify the 42 vs 24 numbers. But for discussions sake, I wonder if an analysis of the comparitive size and weight of the vehicles might indicate that the European vehicle fleet is on average newer, smaller, and lighter than the American fleet and that that contributes very significantly to increased average fuel economy?
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Re: DISCUSSION OF THE "UNAMABLE" [hypnosis44] by kcram HOST
Apr 14, 2007 (5:05 pm)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 14, 2007 2:58 pm)

That's probably a better discussion for the Hybrid Vehicles Board, or you can make a separate discussion here in the Diesels Group for diesel-hybrids. Since the Bluetec is already established, it's the use of it as a hybrid power base that's the news.
 
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Re: DISCUSSION OF THE "UNAMABLE" [kcram] by gagrice
Apr 14, 2007 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: kcram (Apr 14, 2007 5:05 pm)

We do have a "Hybrid Diesel" thread. It gets pretty heated at times. I would suggest this thread for those that like complexity in their diesel vehicles.
 
pf_flyer, "Hybrid Diesels?" #376, 3 Dec 2006 7:26 am
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Re: biodiesel to cut CO2 in Ireland [hypnosis44] by gagrice
Apr 14, 2007 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: hypnosis44 (Apr 14, 2007 1:19 pm)

Google and ye shall receive!
 
Scientists believe carbon dioxide is one of the main greenhouse gases contributing to global warming. Neat biodiesel (100% biodiesel) reduces carbon dioxide emissions by more than 75% over petroleum diesel. Using a blend of 20% biodiesel reduces carbon dioxide emissions by 15%.
 
Biodiesel also produces fewer particulate matter, carbon monoxide, and sulfur dioxide emissions (all air pollutants under the Clean Air Act).
 
Since biodiesel can be used in conventional diesel engines, the renewable fuel can directly replace petroleum products; reducing the country's dependence on imported oil.
 
Biodiesel offers safety benefits over petroleum diesel because it is much less combustible, with a flash point greater than 150°C, compared to 77°C for petroleum diesel. It is safe to handle, store, and transport.

 
http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/altfuel/bio_benefits.html
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Re: biodiesel to cut CO2 in Ireland [gagrice] by hypnosis44
Apr 14, 2007 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 14, 2007 5:46 pm)

Thank you. That was useful.
 
After several hours of searching and weeding I located this as well - you may already have it.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel
 
I am also searching for current similar environmental comparisons of gas to petroleum diesel - not to be debated here, but for my own elucidation.

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