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#60 of 102 Re: Stereo, turning radius [nippononly] by irnmdn Jul 02, 2005 (6:21 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jun 27, 2005 9:27 pm) The stock stereo in the tC is a messy sea of little buttons, and a volume knob (long overdue) will not change that. 06 tc gets steering wheel audio controls, buttons on the head unit are non-issue. Letters B-o-s-e on RSX head unit will not change the bland sound of the stereo.   Nor will it change the large swath of cheapish aluminum-painted plastic that glares at you from the center stack Agree about painted aluminum, but prefer the symmetrical design of tC's center stack over the odd layout of RSX   One thing I give to RSX is the slick shifter, nobody does manuals better than Honda.in this price range. However, grab them while you can. 06 is the last year for RSX. Honda is soon to become a Truck and Minivan company.
#61 of 102 Looking to buy base RSX or tC by jercha Aug 03, 2005 (10:29 am)
I am the original owner of a 1995 Integra. I loved it except for the door dings and recent hail damage. After the hail damage I looked around the parking lot and noticed that a S2000 and my Integra had more hail damage. So I started questioning Honda's great mpg, Could it be thin sheet metal?   So I widened my search for a new car and included the tC with the RSX.   The acura interior plastics are superb. I like that soft dashboard feel. The RSX bucket seat fit like a glove and the fabric soft. The RSX radio controls are great for the driver but not for the passenger. Reminded me of a jet fighter.   TheAcura sales department was high presure and tried to sell me a TSX so I tried it first. I enjoyed the beautiful interior and great ride until I hit a small pothole and the wheels gave a soda can sound. I was very annoyed by that sound and postponed my road testdrive of the RSX.   I am 30+ married and my wife has an A4 so I thought the tC might be too youthful for me. But the price and my recent discontent with Acura compelled me to try a tC. I test drove it twice.   The first was white tC with a big spoiler. I thought this is a quiet coupe. The interior was decent but could be jazzed up with blue lights. The seats were also good. Exterior ties with RSX   For the second tC test drive. I brought my wife and the salesrep. The salesrep told me to floor it and try the suspension and hard braking. It felt heavy compared to my old integra and the TSX but it also had less tire and pothole noises. It also felt solid A4-ish. She also loved the available interior accessories.   So if you are planning to race get the RSX or TSX but if you want solid quiet coupe with accessory selection and no hassle get the tC.   I put a deposit down for a tC coming in 2 weeks If I ever need more power or better handles I can even get the suspension and supercharger from the dealer. Love the tC.
#62 of 102 Love My tC by jdwyer Aug 29, 2005 (2:57 pm)
The tC handles so much better with the TRD Lowering Springs and the Shocks/Struts combo. I put the TRD Cat-Back Exhaust on and I love that deep rumble, and I am glad it doesn't sound like those cans I hear on Civics all the time. I am still debating about the Supercharger, as it would put the tC right there with the RSX in power (about 200 hp depending on tuning).   I looked at the RSX, Civic, and the Mazda3. I was not impressed with Mazda's lack of safety on Side-Impact Crashes (I think I saw 3 stars as the best?). That and the salesperson thought he had me in the bag from the moment I said hello.    The Civic felt like there was nothing to it, which made me think that it might be susceptible to dings. That and the salesperson dragged me up to a used lot (told me that it was the new lot) when I specifically said a new car, on foot (or rather, on crutches since I was recovering from surgery) and left me there with my girlfriend. Said he'd be back in 5 minutes since he had to go help another customer. I left the lot 10 minutes later and was accosted by another salesperson on the way out who tried to convince me to buy an Element when I said that I was looking for a new Civic. When I mentioned the problem of being left in a Used Car Lot, he smiled. I mean, talk about lack of any common sense. I'm on frickin' crutches!   The Acura handled nicely, but it just seemed small. The salesperson acted like I couldn't afford it and I was wasting his time. For some reason, Honda and Acura feel that they don't have to work to get you to purchase the vehicles. It seems so weird that in sales, the salesperson makes you feel bad for helping him make money.   When I went to the Scion Dealer, I got a salesman named Terry. He knew everything about the car and he knew everything about the other cars I was comparing with. He made the whole thing about me, which is surprising considering the low margin on these cars. At any rate, he gave me a good deal when the car took 2 months to show up, he threw in the TRD Shocks and Struts package for free. I've had problems, but I can't really say that I have seen fewer problems on any of the other new cars.   The salesman moved on to Nissan and still calls me to see how my car is doing and that if there are any problems that he will get them taken care of. Maybe it was just the salesman, but it was nice to actually have a person take an interest in you before and after you buy your car. I just did not get that feeling from Honda or Acura.
#63 of 102 Acura RSX Type S = JDM Integra Type S by joeluc13 Sep 02, 2005 (12:29 pm)
I just saw the Honda website in Japan and it seems that the differences between the Type S and the Type R are the seats, center console assembly, LSD and some minor stuff. Technically, the Type S is more on the luxury side while the Type R is truly on the racing side. It is easier to compare the two cars since they have both the Integra Type S and the Integra Type R. Here's the link:   http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/integra/   It's pretty cool. I just wonder why they don't offer the Type R in US.
#64 of 102 Exected resale value by mikefm58 Sep 02, 2005 (7:34 pm)
Anyone know which vehicle will hold their value better? I just got done reading this forum and can see where the tC is the winner simply based on price. The few extras of the RSX don't justify the extra money. . I'm partial to the RSX so if it would hold it's value at least as good as the tC, I'd still consider it.
#65 of 102 I expect by nippononly Sep 05, 2005 (10:08 pm)
the RSX will hold its resale BETTER than the tC, Hondas generally beat Toyota on this count, and the RSX does less sales volume than the tC, adding a bit of "rarity premium".   joeluc: type-R sales were always very limited in the Integra line, the type-R can be pretty harsh to drive, and there weren't enough serious racers ready to buy to justify importing them half the time.   Type-R's have the sound-deadening material removed to save weight, which is a BAD thing in the RSX if you ask me (although good for racing), not to mention seats like iron (good for racing) and rock-hard suspension (great for racing, REAL bad for feckless American roads). Plus, with the added gear like the LSD and other stuff, the price is usually more than the type-S - perhaps a hard sell in equipment-oriented America, where at a $26K sticker (or so) it would be without NAV, HIDs, power seats, all that junk that Americans love so much.   Again, there just aren't enough serious racers with money in hand to make it worth it for Honda. I wish they would bring it over anyway! Replies to this message: joeluc13 (Sep 05, 2005 10:57 pm)
#66 of 102 Re: I expect [nippononly] by joeluc13 Sep 05, 2005 (10:57 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Sep 05, 2005 10:08 pm) Good point! I do believe that people here in the U.S. don't want to pay $26k for a car that wouldn't be a good daily driver (with all that sound-deadening material excluded), except for tuners though. Just paying $26K+ for a fwd car might not be practical compared in getting the same fwd car with some luxury in it (Type S). Although the Type S still has the features of a tuner car, I still feel some luxury (I guess it's due to the leather seats and better interior trimming). I just feel bad that some of the more luxury-level equipment are not available for the Type S in the U.S. (things you mentioned--NAV, HIDs, power seats), which also would have made the price for the Type S a little more practical that it is right now. Now that you mentioned about the features of the Type R that makes the ride uncomfortable for a daily driver, I definitely don't want to own one. But like you said, it would be nice to have them around U.S. roads.   Overall, I love the car. I have no regrets owning one since I really have trusted Honda ever since I bought my 97 Civic EX--which has 152K+ miles right now and still runs like it only has 70K on it. Although I have read some messages from other RSX Type S owners having problems, I still believe in my Type S's reliability. I just find it possible that not all things are built perfectly. Some products have flaws (even it is unacceptable for us consumers) and some don't. Even Mercedez Benz couldn't get rid of their electrical problem (new cars having malfunctioning break lights--I see them all the time). Somehow due to mass production of vehicles nowadays, consumers end up relying on luck just to get a flawless vehicle.
#67 of 102 While I was getting my oil changed by johnnyringo Sep 06, 2005 (5:39 am)
While I was getting my oil changed on friday up at maplewood scion/toyota I saw two Acura RSX's used for 14,000 and change each... they were both 04 models... does that tell you anything about there resale value?... I am looking right now at auto trader and tC's with 15Kmiles are selling for 18,000 or more in the twin cities... supply and demand is awsome! I am thinking of putting my tC up for sale just to turn around and buy another one but be able to put more down this time. I owe 14K on mine and if I can sell it for 18 or even 17 I would be laughing. I agree that Acuras are very nice cars but in my opinion are way over priced for what you get. I also think the tC astheticaly is more pleasing to the eye than the RSX and performance aside I think that is why the tC is so popular right now... has any one seen the new eclipse?... in the comercial it looks pretty sweet! base starting at 19,500.   I know there will be some acura fans that don't agree with me and to them I would say that the tC is selling better than the RSX for a reason... most small car buyers are not tuners. Replies to this message: kozmo (Nov 09, 2005 3:01 pm) sassy1866 (Nov 14, 2005 7:56 am) JBaumgart (Nov 14, 2005 1:15 pm) tonylexus (Nov 16, 2005 8:20 am)
#68 of 102 johnny by nippononly Sep 06, 2005 (2:05 pm)
I just can't help myself after you throw down the gauntlet that way!   The tC sells more because it costs less, an age-old formula that continues to work a lot of the time. There IS a difference between these two models. Whether or not it is worth $3 grand to each person is up to them.   Now, if you really think that EVEN ONE used tC is selling for $18K when they can be bought NEW for less, then you have precious little experience of the used car market. There may be a sucker born every minute, but there aren't enough to sell many used tCs at that price.   As for the RSXs, you do realize that an '04 can be two full years old now, right? Miled-up '04s could easily get down to $14K in resale. And they'd be a bargain at the price, too, as long as they were under 50K in miles.   joeluc: you know, you CAN still get your hands on some fairly recent model type-Rs. They sold them here up until 4, maybe 5 years ago. If you can find one that hasn't been raced or modded, you will be a miracle worker. But if so, and you are ready to pay premium dollar, I am sure it would give a current type-S a run for its money. The RSX has put on weight from the previous generation, and the 'R' had most of the power of the current 'S'. Not to mention a standard LSD for putting the power down, and old-style VTEC just to make things really fun. Replies to this message: joeluc13 (Sep 06, 2005 7:58 pm)
#69 of 102 Re: johnny [nippononly] by joeluc13 Sep 06, 2005 (7:58 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Sep 06, 2005 2:05 pm) Nippononly: Do you have any idea where can I get a DC5R LSD for an 05 Type S? I've heard of other brands but not sure of it. And if installed, would it void the warranty? I think it does, but not sure.

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