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Re: 1996 Rav 4 impression after 5K miles [raviola4] by jeffer3
Nov 29, 2006 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: raviola4 (Nov 27, 2006 4:57 am)

Early this year I purchased a Subaru Outback and for reasons I won't go into here I am not entirely pleased with the vehicle. I had no idea the Rav4 had been beefed up so profusely. It has more room and more power then the OB and even, if the specs are correct, more luggage/cargo space then a 4Runner, which I had been previously considering.
But I'm concerned about this acceleration lag that you speak of. Is this in the 4 cyl, V6, or both. I would think that with 269hp in the V6 the thing should fly like a freakin' rocket.
thanks,
Jeffer3
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Re: Mileage, control [mov4wrd] by jeffer3
Nov 29, 2006 (7:45 pm)
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Replying to: mov4wrd (Nov 28, 2006 12:59 pm)

So are you saying that people experience the "lag" only when using a lower octane fuel such as 87, and not when using higher octane or premium fuel?
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Re: 1996 Rav 4 impression after 5K miles [jeffer3] by kdhspyder
Nov 29, 2006 (9:00 pm)
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Replying to: jeffer3 (Nov 29, 2006 7:31 pm)

It does..try it.. but hold on tight to the wheel and pay attention if you really jam it.
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Re: 1996 Rav 4 impression after 5K miles [kdhspyder] by jeffer3
Nov 30, 2006 (8:54 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 29, 2006 9:00 pm)

Yes, I've heard about the torque steer. But they say it's not as prevelant in the 4WD. Which brings me to my next question.
 
I'm very interested in hearing about people's driving experiences with the 4WD.
 
First, what is this Electronis-On Demand 4WD and how does it work.
 
Second, how would it compare to the Outback's AWD, or a V6 4Runner's full-time 4WD systems. And under what circumstances can you put it in "lock". Can you keep it locked if driving on dry roads? I ask because often the surface conditions will vary depending on whether the plows have gotten there yet.
 
Any real world experience that people have would be nice to hear about. I live in the Northeast and driving conditions can get pretty dicey at times. I'm more interested in handling/driving conditions in the snow rather than off-road but would like to hear that too.
 
tx
Jeffer3
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Re: 1996 Rav 4 impression after 5K miles [jeffer3] by steve_ HOST
Nov 30, 2006 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: jeffer3 (Nov 30, 2006 8:54 am)

There's lots of background info in the Toyota 4WD systems explained discussion as well as the 4WD & AWD systems explained you may want to read through too.
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Re: 1996 Rav 4 impression after 5K miles [jeffer3] by kdhspyder
Nov 30, 2006 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: jeffer3 (Nov 30, 2006 8:54 am)

The RAV system is different from the other Toyota systems. From reports back in this forum it appears that it does very well in snow but it's not a heavy duty off road vehicle as is the 4Runner.
 
Essentially the 4WD vehicle drives in 2WD nearly all the time. When the sensors detect a slippage in the front wheels some of the torque is sent to the rear wheels until the the slippery situation is past.
 
At low speeds for difficult situations the front and back wheels can be locked 50/50 with the press of a button. However this 'lock' comes off automatically above 25 mph, then you're back to driving a front wheel drive vehicle with some torque sent to the rear when needed.
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Re: Mileage, control [desertguy] by ateixeira
Nov 30, 2006 (12:00 pm)
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Replying to: desertguy (Nov 29, 2006 2:04 pm)

since the engine is designed for 87 octane and the timing is retarded accordingly
 
Are you sure about that?
 
If premium fuel is recommended, then maybe not.
 
I ask because Nissan rated the Armada at 300hp on 87 octane, and the Infiniti QX56 at 315hp on 93 octane.
 
Dynos test told the truth, and owners found that putting 93 octane in Armadas yielded a 15hp boost, and 87 octane in a QX yeilded a 15hp loss.
 
Timing isn't fixed, it's adjusted on the fly by the ECU. If premium is recommended, then I'm sure Toyota powertrain engineers programmed the ECU to advance the spark timing a bit to make more power. Or to retard it when knock is observed from the use of lower octane.
 
The part I don't agree with is the idea that the timing is set at a fixed point (say, 10 degrees before top dead center). The ECU surely adjusts it.
 
On my Miata the timing is manually adjusted. OE setting is 10 degrees BTDC. I have it set to 14, 4 degrees advanced. You can go up to 18, but if you do, you have to use premium fuel.
 
Modern ECUs do this for you on the fly.
 
We're talking high compression with the V6, I'm sure it does this.
 
-juice
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Another example of high compression by ateixeira
Nov 30, 2006 (12:07 pm)
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Nissan just announced the Sentra SE-R and SE-R Spec V.
 
The difference between the two is the compression ratio is higher on the Spec V, so it makes more HP and torque. The ratio is 10.5:1, which is actually lower than the RAV4's.
 
Premium fuel is required on the Spec V.
 
The SE-R (non-Spec V) makes just 177 hp from the same displacement with a lower compression ratio.
 
Point is, the RAV4's V6 has high compression, nearly 270hp doesn't come for free.
 
-juice
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RAV 4 V6 by khbush
Nov 30, 2006 (3:17 pm)
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We got a 2007 V6 about 3 weeks ago. It is a rocket Runs like crazy. I expected it to run goodbut I had no idea it would run as good as it does!
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Re: Mileage, control [ateixeira] by thecat
Nov 30, 2006 (7:04 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 30, 2006 12:00 pm)

If premium fuel is recommended, then maybe not.
 
Who said premium fuel is recommended? Not according to my owners manual. And, just for the record .. I've never experienced any "lag".
 
- hutch

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