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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 02, 2006 9:52 am) Almost all of these engine/transaxle delay/hesitation complaints, if not all of them, involve FWD or front biased AWD vehicles. When you are coming to a stop, coasting down to a stop, if the roadbed happens to be quite slippery there is a real danger that almost any level of engine compression braking will/can result in complete loss of directional control. What is, will be, the very first thing you would do, instinctively, if you felt the vehicle was not following the direction set by your stearing inputs? Lift the accelerator pedal..QUICKLY...!! If you are very near coming to a full and complete stop and the transaxle has already downshifted into 1st gear the level of engine compression braking could well be high enough to cause the front wheels/tires to completely break traction with the slippery roadbed. I have been involved in moderately slippery roadbed conditions with a RWD wherein the ABS was so active the vehicle would literally not come to a complete stop. I'm quite sure that had it been a FWD with just a slight level of engine compression braking the ABS would have been ineffective, maybe totally so. It is in these conditions that the AAA is currently recommending that drivers practice and learn to quickly shift a clutchless FWD vehicle's transaxle into neutral in order to increase the probability of maintaining directional control. It is hard for me to believe that Toyota would go to these measures to increase the safety factor of their FWD and front biased AWD vehicles and then silently endure the adverse publicity without speaking up with an explanation. So let's suppose that the insurance industry held a meeting with the automotive industry executives and told them that if they didn't in some way act to reduce or alleviate the number of accidents, injuries and deaths due to FWD engine braking they would go public and start charging a premium for policies involving operation of FWD and/or front biased AWD vehicles. We all know that BA, Brake Assist, involves monitoring the rate at which the brake pedal is applied and ASSISTING the level of braking if the application rate indicates a PANIC stop. So what if they are now also monitoring the RATE at which you lift the throttle and then quickly upshifting the transaxle accordingly. A simulation of the AAA recommendation. And no individual company dare go public absent an agreement amongst all FWD manufacturers. Look at Honda/Acura, the SH-AWD system specifically, who among us would have ever thought of that marque to the first to break ranks and begin the move away from FWD??
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Replying to: wwest (Aug 02, 2006 9:09 pm) "A search of NHTSA records and interviews with Consumer Reports magazine also show owners of other car makes are suffering from the same hesitation problem, including BMW's 3 Series, Ford Explorers and Escapes, and Dodge Durango 4x4." (From the Post Gazette story JimD linked earlier today). Interesting thread here (not aimed at you Wwest - you're already there  ) : FWD, AWD, RWD and the Luxury Performance Sedans |
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Replying to: moonrooves (Aug 02, 2006 6:53 pm)
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Replying to: jimd4 (Aug 03, 2006 12:48 am) Bob
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| I keep track of cars in or coming in at the Southeast region (zip 34423 for example). Everytwo weeks they get a batch of cars and have on average 1117 RAV4s of all types at the start of a two week period. The turnover in cars seems to be slowing over the last month. More interesting is that for the most recent jump in cars (8/3/06) the total number of V6s jumped up to 28% from an average of 16%. And the number of limited v6 AWD jumped up also to 4.3% from an average of 2.0% Not big increases but maybe Toyota is addrssing the difficulty in getting V6 models. Only time will tell for sure. Sport V6 AWD has leveled out at about 1%.The SE region has a very high percentage of 2wd cars. I assume this is because the region is mostly a mild winter area. | |
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Replying to: meesh1947 (Aug 03, 2006 3:31 am) |
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Replying to: orioninil (Aug 01, 2006 4:59 am) |
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Replying to: wwest (Aug 02, 2006 9:09 pm) ------------------------------------------------------ Does your RAV4 have this hesitation issue? Yes, I4, 2wd 9% [ 8 ] No, I4, 2wd 5% [ 5 ] Yes, I4, 4wd 22% [ 19 ] No, I4, 4wd 14% [ 12 ] Yes, V6, 2wd 3% [ 3 ] No, V6, 2wd 10% [ 9 ] Yes, V6, 4wd 11% [ 10 ] No, V6, 4wd 21% [ 18 ]
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Replying to: jimd4 (Aug 03, 2006 5:23 am) I have one.....?? FWD or front biased AWD contitutes my "theory". |
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| Well hopefully we'll know more about the hesitation problem before the 07's come out.I'm getting the Limited 4x4 V6 and have been looking forward to it.I;m glad i waited to see what the problems were before i bought when they first came out.From jims link it looks like a few auto makers are having the same problems.Hopefully i get one of the good ones (wink wink) | |
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