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#238 of 4696 Safety is Optional
Sep 13, 2005 (5:43 pm)
The concept of these things being "optional" is something of a myth. Toyota regions usually force bundles of options together. It looks cheaper on the website, until you see what your region bundles together.
E.g. in many regions, it'll probably be very difficult to buy a V6 RAV4 with good options, without front side airbags and side curtain airbags. So it still won't be cheap.
"Side SRS is no dealbreaker for many buyers. Severe side-impact crashes actually make up a small percentage of total crashes. It would be nice to have them std."
That's a false sense of security, and based on last century's designs. In vehicle-against-vehicle collisions, side-impact crashes now make up the majority of deaths.
In crashes with another passenger vehicle, 51 percent of driver deaths in recent model cars during 2000-01 occurred in side impacts, up from 31 percent in 1980-81. During the same time, the proportion of deaths in frontal impacts declined from 61 percent to 43 percent.
These changes are attributable to two effects. There have been significant improvements in frontal crash protection — standard airbags, improved structural designs, and higher belt use rates, for example. At the same time, growing sales of SUVs and pickups have exacerbated height mismatches among passenger vehicles, thereby increasing the risks to occupants of many vehicles struck in the side. In crashes between cars and other passenger vehicles during 2000-01, almost 60 percent of the driver deaths in the cars struck on the driver side were hit by SUVs or pickups — up from about 30 percent during 1980-81.
"I'm confident Toyota has seen the crash tests score sof the previous Rav4, and made vast improvements. To go along with their other attributes, Toyotas generally are leaders in crash tests as well, throughout their product line."
That's another false sense of security. To date, no vehicle in the IIHS side-impact test has scored well without having front side and head-protection airbags. I'm sure Toyota has improved the RAV4 as well, but you still need the airbags.
#239 of 4696 First impressions
Sep 13, 2005 (5:44 pm)
Three issues I had with my 1999 Rav4 was weak engine, dimensions a little too small and a $300 charge every 15,000 miles due to defective engine design with the iac valve. Thats why I got rid of it.
I like the added dimensions but wouldnt consider purchasing a first year 2006 RAV4 until the bugs are worked out.
I'm a fan of V6 engines over 4-cyclinders. But why put such a powerful engine in this SUV. I would have rather seen a V6 sized like the one for the future 2006 Lexus IS250 sedan (2.5 litre), which is more fuel efficient. Overall, this RAV4 isnt winning me over.
Sep 13, 2005 (8:29 pm)
may have fallen prey to the notion that "bigger is always better" with this new RAV.
It is good that Toyota is making ABS and VSC standard in all its SUVs now, but given the crash test results we are seeing, they need to include the side air curtains, ESPECIALLY if all three-row RAVs are going to have them standard. Sheesh.
Sep 13, 2005 (8:37 pm)
And, yeah, that must be a Euro-spec Rav4.
I wouldn't expect all that at launch, but it'll get there.
#243 of 4696 Re: I feel ya, ccccccc [callmedrfill]
Sep 14, 2005 (2:52 am)
Anyone know what the MPG will be for the new Rav ? ?
#244 of 4696 Re: I feel ya, ccccccc [sr45]
Sep 14, 2005 (4:25 am)
I assume the 4 cyl models will be about the same or 1-2MPG lower (due to the growth in size/weight) and the V6 to be a little lower than the Avalon numbers for FWD and another 2-3MPG lower than that for AWD models.
Toyota has matched the CR-V in terms of size but at the cost of canabalizing the sales within its own SUV lineup?
Sep 14, 2005 (7:03 am)
well it sure does seem that once the V-6 RAV gets to dealers in February, all sales of the last model year run of the Highlander will instantly cease...
I guess when the new Highlander comes next fall, it will also have to get a lot bigger, and then what of the 4Runner? Two vehicles the same size, one truck-based, one not? Maybe they can still sell side-by-side, but I am sure Runner sales will be greatly reduced.
I sure wish they were contemplating selling a shorter wheelbase version of the new RAV - they could call it the "Sport". What is it with this enormous fascination over third row seats the market has these days? Not everyone wants three rows!
Sep 14, 2005 (7:10 am)
I'm not sure the V6 will be less than the Avalon. A FWD RAV4 will probably still weigh less than an Avalon, and the new RAV has a .31 drag coefficient. As for sales, it may temporarily, but the 2007 Highlander is also going up in size.
By the way, the guy that wrote the Frankfurt Auto Show article needs to read the press release. There were a bunch of errors in there, like saying it was a 2.0 liter 4cyl only, with 155 horsepower.
Sep 14, 2005 (7:18 am)
The Rav4 is THE #! selling SUV in Europe, and their product mix of engines and such is much different that in the US. They prefer diesel engines over V6.
The Euro-Rav4 and US-Rav4 look the same, but are sold very differently.
Someone said something about 3rd seats earlier. Ain't no 3rd seat in fittin' in thur!