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#46 of 547 4wd low by 6spdtl Mar 05, 2005 (4:42 pm)
I just love people discussing about their 4wd low when none of them has used it in their life for what it is for! It just goes on to prove how gullible and dumb (though large and important to a car company)the average truck buyer IS. The existance of 4wd low is for going down steep inclines (read rubicon type), it lets the vehicle maintain a crawling speed to avoid losing control or your brakes. You never need it for anything more, if you have used it for something else HERE YOUR SIGN: HEY BUBBA MAKE SURE YOU PUT THA TRUCK ON LOW TO GO UP THER HILL OR TO PULL OUT OF THER SNOW BANK. SURE GOMER HUH HUH. Just like 90% of truck owners never put more than a couple of pieces of plywood in the back or ever take their truck further than a gravel road less then 1% ever use low range and we can see by the comments around here even those that use it don't know what its really for!!!! Hondas real problem selling this truck will not be because it is not by far the best vehicle of its type ever made, but because the target consumer is just too dumb to even understand it. Its like trying to explain a toilet to a indian from the amazon that has never even used a latrine:) Replies to this message: midnightsun (Mar 06, 2005 4:51 pm) rsholland (Mar 06, 2005 6:16 pm) hammaa (Mar 07, 2005 9:31 pm)
#47 of 547 Re: Head gaskets [captjohn] by midnightsun Mar 06, 2005 (4:37 pm)
Replying to: captjohn (Mar 04, 2005 10:24 am) I'm surprised you don't know about the enormous head gasket "campaign" involving Toyota V6 engines from late 1989 into the early Tacomas. While they appear to have solved the problem, it just goes to show that any make/model can have big problems. (I owned, still own, one of the trucks that had to get the head gasket replaced, and I can assure you that it was not a cheap fix--some people got it fixed free, some people paid 100%, most people ended up paying a good chunk of the cost.) I suppose this is better than the Ford V6 head gasket disaster, though. Ford apparently refused to acknowledge the problem.   Honda just made the news with recalls of Civics and Accords--the same two models that have earned praise for great quality and reliability. You just never know.
#48 of 547 Re: 4wd low [6spdtl] by midnightsun Mar 06, 2005 (4:51 pm)
Replying to: 6spdtl (Mar 05, 2005 4:42 pm) I disagree. First gear in 4Lo is good for more than just descending on extremely steep grades. It goes UP extreme grades and surfaces very well also--better than first gear 4Hi does, with more control.   Since it multiplies torque, there is no reason it be LIMITED to only descending uses. If that's all you use it for, that's your choice. There is absolutely no reason it can't be used for climbing and pulling purposes...any low-speed, high-torque situations. This is something many, many experienced 4-wheelers use, both up and down. Replies to this message: rsholland (Mar 06, 2005 6:16 pm)
#49 of 547 Re: 4wd low [midnightsun] by rsholland Mar 06, 2005 (6:16 pm)
Replying to: midnightsun (Mar 06, 2005 4:51 pm) Yep. 4 Lo can be useful an any number of situations. It's like having additional (off-road) insurance for those rare occasions. I'd much rather have it—and never need it, than not have it—and need it.   Bob
#50 of 547 4wd low 6spdtl by swann Mar 06, 2005 (7:24 pm)
6spdtl, I'd like to introduce you to my friend "Bubba", so you may share with him your superior knowledge involving the intricacies of the four wheel drive systems, and how gullible and dumb a prospect he is. That being said, I spent some time with the ridgeline today. It is a well thought out vehicle from a function ability standpoint but, the exterior lines are too difficult for me to digest. The 255 horsepower is so-so, needs more TORQUE! Most vehicles in this class produce more torque than horsepower, which is needed for towing. Honda obviously didn't solicit any torque info from "Bubba".
#51 of 547 ridgeline torque by 6spdtl Mar 06, 2005 (10:25 pm)
I rest my case, they dont even get it when its explained to them!!!!!  Now lets get into torque, the ridgeline has been proven to tow a 5000 lbs trailer as well as an F150 with the optional 5.4 liter V8. I guess the ridgelines has 250 percherons while the f150 has 360 shetland ponies. Its not only how much torque an engine can deliver, its how that torque is put to the ground, furtheremore, once your out of the standstill HP becomes more important than torque. I guess most bubbas use their trucks for pulling stumps and that kind of duty since all that bountyfull torque is not creating any towing advantages. Sorry fellas, The ridgeline is as butch if not more than any truck in the midsize market and even shows the big boys a thing or two when it comes to true utility. And as stated before, the regular truck buyer wont get it since hedoesn't have the nogging to understand it. Bubba put in low so we can multiply the torque! sure gomer lets do that!!!! By the way here your sign!!!! Replies to this message: swann (Mar 07, 2005 7:33 am)
#52 of 547 Re: Dakota vs. Tacoma vs. Ridgeline? [robertblaize] by captjohn Mar 07, 2005 (6:18 am)
Replying to: robertblaize (Mar 04, 2005 2:16 pm) I went back and drove another Ridgeline Sunday, and then drove the Tacoma the same day, and like you, I bought the Tacoma Double Cab with SR5 package #8. The interior quality and finish was so much nicer. The back seat in the Ridgeline felt like I was sitting on a park bench with a stadium cushion. The Tacoma's seats are much more comfortable. I just felt more comfortable in both back seat and driver's seat with the Tacoma. Granted, the Ridgeline interior is a little wider. How I will feel in the drivers seat for 100,000 miles is more important to me than the additional functionality of the Ridgeline. Plus I bought what I wanted in the Tacoma for about $4000 less than the equivalent Ridgeline, so that will go a long way in letting me live with "less functions". Did you do much research on the Extang Tonneau cover? I need to buy a cover also, and would be interrested in your choice. Were they the only ones with a new Tacoma version available?
#53 of 547 Ridgeline is NOT as 'butch as any TRUCK' by chuck999 Mar 07, 2005 (7:18 am)
Spent some time looking over / driving Ridgeline this Sat. Then went to Toyota dealer to look at Tacoma / Tundra. While Ridgeline safety features and ride quality are very impressive - I think that Honda not really getting the idea of a TRUCK ..   Why? 1. Ridgeline model levels make it obvious that Honda thinks of Ridgeline more as an Accord or maybe even an MDX than a TRUCK. There is only ONE base model (RT) and you can NOT even add a sunroof. The RT-S adds a nicer stereo, alloy wheels and auto-climate control - but again NO sunroof possible. THEN you get to the meat of the Ridgeline range - The RTL - to which you can add Sunroof or Navigation. So - there are 2 cloth models and at least 3 leather versions ... Show me another TRUCK that has MORE leather versions than CLOTH. None of the competitors do this - and Toyota and Nissan and the big three have been selling TRUCKS a lot longer than Honda ....   2. No FACTORY Tow Hitches - about 1/3 of Tacos and Tundras (maybe more) COME from the FACTORY with a tow hitch and wiring. None of this on Ridgeline. Having a hitch as a dealer installed option gives the dealer a chance to dicker with labor and installation charges - and makes the PRICE of a functional RIDGELINE even higher..   3. No FACTORY fog lights - again at least 1/2 Toyotas and Nissans COME from the FACTORY with fog lights. To add fogs to RIDGELINE cost at least $500. And with the Ridgeline you've got to cut holes in the plastic for the install! It's like the engineers thought of fog lights at the very last minute ....   4. Real towing - sadly, Honda has disingenuously inflated the Ridgeline towing figures substantially. In the OWNERS manual - towing with 5 passengers is NOWHERE NEAR 5000 pounds. More like 2000. So, if you've got a 5000 lb boat - looks like you better leave your family at home! ...   5. Price - seeing as the Ridgeline needs a tow hitch and harness to tow and probably should have fogs, even the 27,700 base model shoots up to the 28-29k price point - as much as a top of the line Taco. With rebates and discounts you can get a loaded Doublecab V8 Tundra, with SAB, Tow package and Sunroof for about the same price .... (Check Carmax, Darcars or Fitzgerald auto mall ....)   Look - the Ridgeline is a nice vehicle, rides great, has outstanding safety features, and IS probably more than most TRUCK owners really need. But if Honda wants to sell TRUCKS, they should start MARKETING it and outfitting it as a TRUCK. Let's see a Rigdgeline hauling sheet rock, feed bags or outfitted with a ladder rack. Ship 'em with FACTORY tow hitches and fogs. Build more RT's...   The ability to haul motorcycles or tow a boat is NOT UNIQUE to the Ridgeline TRUCK.... The ability to haul WIDE working loads IS ... Replies to this message: rsholland (Mar 07, 2005 7:48 am)
#54 of 547 Re: ridgeline torque [6spdtl] by swann Mar 07, 2005 (7:33 am)
Replying to: 6spdtl (Mar 06, 2005 10:25 pm) Proven to tow, and how well it performs on the highway with a load is a different animal. I drove the ridgeline and have plenty of experience towing boats. I have a 3000lb 22ft skiff, and a 26ft 8000lb h/s vector. The ridgeline could handle the 3000lbs, but it would have to work real hard at getting even that load up to highway speeds within a respectable time frame. Plus the radiator sure looks tiny. You stated "the regular truck buyer doesn't understand that hp is more important than torque". You may need to explain this to the folks that have been manufacturing trucks for decades-Tacoma h.p. 245 TORQUE-282       Frontier h.p. 265 TORQUE-284      F-150 5.4 h.p. 300 TORQUE-365 Just for kicks, lets throw a chevy duramax in the mix to further prove how far off all the other truck producers have been in understanding torque-Duramax h.p 310 TORQUE-590!   I personally think the ridgeline is a well thought out vehicle. The design team needs to wrap their concept in a more appealing body exterior, and add more TORQUE!
#55 of 547 Re: Ridgeline is NOT as 'butch as any TRUCK' [chuck999] by rsholland Mar 07, 2005 (7:48 am)
Replying to: chuck999 (Mar 07, 2005 7:18 am) The Ridgeline is a midsize truck, and is marketed towards homeowners, not construction crews.   It's got 49.5" width between the rear wheelwells, which no other midsize truck can match. So yes, it can carry 1,100 lbs of sheetrock flat on the bed floor if need be. So what it extends off the rear of the lowered tailgate 18 inches? Just make sure it's properly tied down.   I agree with you regarding the towing.   Bob

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