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Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Sedan
Mar 10, 2005 (8:47 am)
Yes, I guess you could say I'm on the front line. So far the SLK and CLS, of which I've sold 4 and 2 of, respectively, have been solid. The materials and fit and finish are back up where they should be. The cupholder in the 2000 S-class is probably the darkest moment in mercedes history from a value statement standpoint. With regards to the W211 E class, the first year was a lot of arbitrary little gremlins, which, folks, when you buy the first year of a European vehicle, you will likely have to deal with. not surely, but likely. The reason there was no nav in the '03 was due to a GPS module issue, which also plagued some Tele-aid(onstar) systems. The modules were VIN specific, so getting them replaced in a timely fashion was not easy. The sad thing is, now that all of these past problems have saturated the airwaves, they aren't very prevalent really, anymore. For those of you who hate the SBC brakes in the E, I can see why you might feel that way, they are a little hard to modulate, and the system is very noisy while it's warming up. At this point, the only car in the line that isn't 100% is the old M-class. SOMETIMES they still have an issue or two, but rarely anything major.
Part of the problem mercedes is up against is that for them to build a car out of the materials they used in, say, a 1990 420SEL, with today's supplier costs, the car would be priced out of even the highline market. People want more fuel mileage, cheaper insurance, quicker repairs, and more features, etc. without the price going up. What that means is more plastic, and lowest- bidder suppliers. That being said, they still use very costly techniques and materials in the building of their car, the only other manufacturer that uses a monocoque chassis is Porche, and their prices reflect that as well. Personally, I would like to see them focus less on volumn, and spend whatever they have to,and charge whatever they have to, to be as bulletproof as a toyota, but continue to dust them on driveability.
#47 of 391 stroudman
Mar 10, 2005 (9:36 pm)
Yep perception always lags reality, and we all know once the press gets a hold of anything that shows a star falling from grace they are relentless with keeping that story going.
I'm glad to hear that so far the SLK and CLS have been good, but the real test will be this time next year when CR and JDP does their thing.
Mar 11, 2005 (9:16 am)
We'll see how they fare in the surveys. One thing I've noticed a little bit of is, when you're driving a japanese car, for example, and your perception is one of "maytag" reliability, you'll let little things slide. Where as if you shelled out the big bucks for the pioneering, high-tech mercedes or bmw or even audi, ANYTHING and I mean anything that goes wrong will be reported to those guys at CR and JDP with much wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth. The world is full of double standards, that's just one of them. But the japanese have realized that they were building their cars a little TOO well, and weren't turning cars as often, or making much $ on parts and service, so they have slacked off a bit. The last JDP I looked at saw mercedes move up about three % points, and toyota(lexus) lose a few with regards to problems per 100 cars.
The brother of one of my service advisors works at a lexus dealer, and says he's got all the warranty work he can keep up with.
#49 of 391 re:320/350 or 240/280
Apr 03, 2005 (2:07 pm)
I am a first time MB buyer and here are my questions. I'd really appreciate it if the more experienced MB owners can help me out. I will most likely be selling the car in 4-5 years so a somewhat return of what I put in would be nice.
1- I'd like a capable engine but don't usually push it that hard. Should I wait for the 350 or go with the 320? Also is the difference between the 240 and 320 worth the 5g price difference?
2- How much more is the 350 going to cost, than the current 320? Should I wait?
3- I've noticed very few C owners have leather upholstery. Should I also go with the leather inserts?
4- Finally, I need some info on options and which ones are worth it. I was going to go with the 6 disc changer, Xenons, Sunroof package, Navigation system. Any I should add/drop?
Thanks for your replies.
#50 of 391 Re: 6spdti [6spdtl]
Apr 03, 2005 (3:17 pm)
Well to every car including the TL, every new car/remodel has lemons and kinks the first year there out and the company takes car of them and so forth. But to be realistic you are comparing Japanese luxury to a higher standard of German luxury. What would you rather say you owned a Acura, Infiniti, Lexus, or a Mercedes, BMW, Audi. Dont get me wrong Lexus has nice cars but like infiniti there cars all resemble there cheaper counter-part (Toyota, Nissan). When most people are going to spend a lot of money on the car they usually go for a name not a value and something not everyone can put in there driveway. The name they usually go for is something more respectable then a Japanese import....
#51 of 391 re:320/350 or 240/280 [agarbati]
Apr 04, 2005 (10:37 am)
You can take my advice with a grain of salt since I sell them, but if I can help, I would be glad to.
-Like any aspect of retail, the new improved thing will cost more, and the old thing will be there at a better price, but with fewer choices. The last of the 240's and 320's have pretty much been built, so what's out there is it. The good news is benz is sure to put extra incentives on the outgoing cars, so a deal can be had, you just might have to settle on colors and/or equipment.
-The only options that translate into any genuine resale value are sunroofs, cd changers, and auto transmissions. So buy the smallest engine and trim level you can live with. Full leather, xenons, and nav mean nothing to the used car buyer, they just want the cheapest car they can find, and they won't pay much more for things like that. Those options may give you a better experience driving the car, but are all but lost in trade.
-The engine upgrades will cost more. The E-class jumped about $1500 when it went to 350 size engine, so I would think at least $1k will be the premium on the c-class cars.
-the two biggest adjustments you will see in the value of your car is when it goes out of warranty(4 years/50,000 miles), and when you cross the 100k mile mark.
BTW I drive one also (C230), and they are fantastic cars, haven't had any trouble out of it. Hope I could help...
#52 of 391 re:320/350 or 240/280 [stroudman]
Apr 04, 2005 (12:38 pm)
Thanks! That was helpful!
#53 of 391 agarbati
Apr 04, 2005 (3:13 pm)
Also, you might want to consider the C240's replacment, the C280. It will likely have 225-228hp and perform better than the current top of the line C320. The wonderful thing about Mercedes is that when they do new engines (doesn't happen that often) they really turn the performance up, often times making the base model outperform the former top model. Even the new C230 is supposed to get a 200hp V6. It may only equal the performance of the current C230 in a straight line, but it will be a much smoother drive. Sounding a lot better in the process. Can't wait to see the official details on the 2006 C-Class.
#54 of 391 Re: 6spdti [benz14]
Apr 04, 2005 (8:26 pm)
I couldn't agree more. A friend of mine a couple of years ago was looking at a 02 Lexus GS430. He went to a high-end only used dealer that sold MB's BMW's, etc. When he told them they gave him 2 keys, one being a Lexus key and the other being a BMW key. And told hime without looking at the car which would you rather have at your garage. Long story short, he chose the BMW 540. I've owned an Acura and currently a LExus so I like the JApanese cars, but name is everytthing if you can afford it.
#55 of 391 Benz or Acura
Apr 06, 2005 (7:18 am)
OK, I don't want to stir the pot here but I'm really torn between two different cars and need some help in making a decision. One is the coming C280, and the other is the Acura 3.2TL. On one hand the starpower is irrestible, but I've been looking at the Acura and that just makes the decision really difficult. The 3.2 is a very attractive purchase in accessories, looks, and quality. But all said and done you can't compare a Merc to an Acura - they're two very different beasts.