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#55 of 152 Re: As a feal fan of Ford.......... [bigunit67] by hwyhobo Dec 17, 2006 (7:49 pm)
Replying to: bigunit67 (Dec 15, 2006 2:51 pm) I don't know hwyhobo...Diamler Chrysler conceived of and came out with the 300 platform, which cuts across many demographics and is a hit in mild V-6 and wild V-8 versions.   DaimlerChrysler reported CYTD sales in Nov 2006 of 127K 300s. Ford reported 110K CVs/GMs. Doesn't sound like much of a disparity, particularly considering the amount of advertising DC put into selling that vehicle compared to practically zero advertising from Ford. Crown Vic sells itself because it has established itself with its audience. If you undermine that target market in any way, you better be prepared to plonk a huge amount of money to gain new markets, and it is an iffy proposition.   Like I said, with such a following, it would be better to improve where it counts, and to expand its appeal, not change the base offer. Replies to this message: bigunit67 (Dec 17, 2006 10:36 pm) hwyhobo (Dec 17, 2006 11:08 pm) hwyhobo (Dec 18, 2006 1:03 am)
#56 of 152 Re: As a feal fan of Ford.......... [hwyhobo] by bigunit67 Dec 17, 2006 (10:36 pm)
Replying to: hwyhobo (Dec 17, 2006 7:49 pm) I'm not trying to argue with you at all, hwyhobo, but the 300 platform also encompasses the Dodge Charger and, essentially, the Dodge Magnum (along with the forthcoming Dodge Challenger). I have not looked up the numbers you quote, but I would imagine that the disparity is a bit larger when you make it all-inclusive.   Also, how many of the total of CV/GM sales include the (CV)number sold to govt, police, and taxi fleets? There is a Dodge Charger proposal out there for police depts, but it is just getting launched whereas we all know and fear the black-grilled CV in our rear-view mirrors   I respect the older drivers that own CV's and GM's (going by known demographics alone there) and like the notion of them continuing in the style and manner they currently are. That is their/your right. However, I have lived long enough to see my dad's historically favorite car, the Buick LeSabre, go from RWD to FWD to no drive. The scene changes no matter how much you love something.   I know the mods don't want us to get into repetitive discussions, and I don't want to get into tit for tat comebacks with you. I respect your position, but consider this: All I would like to do is to see Ford set out some goals whereby they creatively enhance the CV/GM and assure its continued survival (and renewal for that matter). I fear that if it is left totally alone, with what 5+ years in the car market means as far as tastes go, we could be on life support with it come 2011/2012. We'd be talking about a car that would have been updated once in 20 years at that point...a risk in today's auto world to say the least. Replies to this message: hwyhobo (Dec 17, 2006 11:08 pm) hwyhobo (Dec 18, 2006 1:03 am)
#57 of 152 Re: As a feal fan of Ford.......... [bigunit67] by hwyhobo Dec 17, 2006 (11:08 pm)
Replying to: bigunit67 (Dec 17, 2006 10:36 pm) the 300 platform also encompasses the Dodge Charger and, essentially, the Dodge Magnum (along with the forthcoming Dodge Challenger).   Oh, but I agree completely. This is precisely my way of thinking as to how Ford should go. Expand the existing offer by adding a wagon and a sporty two-door (but please, no Marauder). I see then we are of one mind. Replies to this message: hwyhobo (Dec 18, 2006 1:03 am)
#58 of 152 Re: As a feal fan of Ford.......... [hwyhobo] by hwyhobo Dec 18, 2006 (1:03 am)
Replying to: hwyhobo (Dec 17, 2006 11:08 pm) Okay, having thought about it for a while longer, I am not 100% sure about a sporty coupe the size of a Crown Vic with today's gas prices. Then again, if you look at the SUV monstrosities that many young people drive, I guess I don't know anymore.
#59 of 152 Die on the vine or change by corsicachevy Dec 18, 2006 (1:33 pm)
Ford has to do something to the Panther based cars or they will eventually get gobbled up by competition from Chrysler and maybe even the imports.   Here's my idea. First, pull the engine/transmission combo out of the Explorer and drop it in the Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis. The only modification would be slightly less aggressive cams which would drop the power down to about 280hp but pay dividens in terms of idle quality and drivablity. For the Town Car - an aluminum 5.4 3V Triton with 325hp. Its about time the Lincoln line was distinguishable (mechanically) from a run of the mill Ford.   Finally (and most importantly) make a serious commitment to improving the interiors. The F150/Montego interiors would be a nice starting point.
#60 of 152 Continued long life through creative destruction and renewal by bigunit67 Dec 18, 2006 (1:58 pm)
We're not totally on the same page, hobo, but we do want to keep the car around a lot longer.   I think the platform allows for a lot of variety while keeping it true to its roots. A potential hybrid option, or two, a version basically like it is, and one with a higher performance option ala the Marauder (but not having a totally separate car line)....they all could be worked out along with a freshening and updating of the chassis that would maintain what traditional clients like and not have everyone under the age of 60 turn a blind eye towards it. Or so I hope/think.   We can ONLY hope Ford reads these threads and keeps up with what people are wanting. We may all disagree on the specifics, but change will be needed or we'll be waving good-bye to it one day soon I fear.
#61 of 152 Need some help, research by jcbahr Dec 19, 2006 (7:28 am)
I am working on a police interceptor fleet at a local police department. I am a contractor not a cop. I am looking for information regarding the electrical schematic for all accessories in todays interceptor.   I will be re-wiring their vehicles and proposing a bid to do so. Any information or direction is greatly appreciated. Replies to this message: kirstie_h (Dec 19, 2006 9:09 am)
#62 of 152 Re: Need some help, research [jcbahr] by kirstie_h HOST Dec 19, 2006 (9:09 am)
Replying to: jcbahr (Dec 19, 2006 7:28 am) Hi jcbahr, I'm not really clear what it is you're looking for. Wiring diagrams for all model years of the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis?   This discussion is about future models, but we can try to point you toward better discussions for your questions. However, if you want detailed wiring information you're likely to have to purchase a repair manual like Chiltons, or purchase a subscription at alldataDIY.com if you need it ASAP.
#63 of 152 Ford is adding AWD in many other vehicles... by bigunit67 Dec 28, 2006 (10:40 pm)
Could Ford make an AWD option available with the current panther platform, or would it require enough rework that it'd not be worth it (and better to start over)??
#64 of 152 Interceptor by ehaase Dec 29, 2006 (10:51 am)
Ford will show a concept car based on the Mustang called the Interceptor that may preview a CV/GM replacement. The concept (to me) looks like a downsized early 1960's full size Ford sedan with a Super Chief front end.

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