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Future Crown Vic and Grand Marquis

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What is this discussion about? Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, Sedan


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Re: It matches the hearse!!! [jefferyg] by ehaase
Oct 26, 2005 (6:12 am)
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Replying to: jefferyg (Oct 25, 2005 8:14 pm)

Just how heavy do you think that a CV/GM on an Explorer platform would weigh? How would putting them on this platform help increase fuel efficiency?
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Re: It matches the hearse!!! [ehaase] by jefferyg
Oct 26, 2005 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: ehaase (Oct 26, 2005 6:12 am)

I didn't say it would help fuel economy. However, it could help Ford trim costs if they were only producing one frame for Explorers, Mountaineers, Grand Marquis, and Crown Vics. Besides with the V8 the 2006 Explorer XLT weighs only 400 pounds more than a Crown Vic. Take out the third row seat and the auxillary air conditioner and you're probably getting pretty close to the same tonnage.
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Independent rear suspension and that emission black box under the gas tank by joe3716
Mar 04, 2006 (2:10 pm)
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For future GM, like to see (1)the rear rigid axle replaced with an independent suspension system in the rear to eliminate that "jittery feel" when the vehicle goes over bumpy or uneven road surface. (2)Remove or put that flat, black "emission" box and hoses under the gas tank somewhere else that's not vulnerable of being ripped off by road debris or getting wet? (3) tweak or replace the transmission to give higher MPG?
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sigh by johnclineii
Aug 20, 2006 (7:31 am)
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There may not be a future Crown Vic/Grand Marquis:
 
http://winnipegsun.com/Business/2006/08/19/1764588-sun.html
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Re: sigh [johnclineii] by navigator89
Aug 21, 2006 (5:50 am)
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Replying to: johnclineii (Aug 20, 2006 7:31 am)

That really is bad news to me. I'm a real fan of the Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis, because of their smooth ride, American looks, and their interior space. However I want to see them modernized a bit with the addition of premium features and a 300hp engine.
 
If there is no more Crown Vic/Grand Marquis, Ford will really lose a lot of business from the police, taxi companies and all the people in Kuwait/Saudi Arabia who drive them. (In these two countries, these cars are ridiculously popular.)
 
Lol, that's two bad pieces of news about Ford in the same hour. First they wont be putting a V8 in the MKS and now this.
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As a feal fan of Ford.......... by euphonium
Aug 21, 2006 (8:31 am)
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have you personally invested a lot in their stock? It is the shareholders who are most affected and their concern is primary. If a car of ten year old design has to be sacfificed for the future of Ford, so be it.
 
You and I have been wanting the Mustang engine in the CV,GM, and TC for years, but face it, we are in the minority as most of the purchasers like the gas mileage of the status quo.
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Re: As a feal fan of Ford.......... [euphonium] by pantherapardus
Dec 11, 2006 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (Aug 21, 2006 8:31 am)

Demise of the RWD Ford's may be exaggerated. Sales of the CV and the GM are down is true and St. Thomas may not have a future. But my guess is that Ford will do something similar to GM with its Zeta body, making a new family of "modular" cars for the Mustang, CV, GM, Town Car and a host of other derivatives. The market is fragmenting and the chances of Ford hitting a new product to the bleachers don't look good. But hitting lots of singles does. My guess is this car, along with 280hp 3.5L V-6 and new versions of the 4.6 that musters up to 350hp will be out in 2011 as a 2012 model. In the mean time, I speculate only the CV and the GM to gravitate to a 117.4" wheelbase (from 116" as St Thomas I am told is unable to deal with 2 wheelbases its so inflexible) along with the town car which starts building along side them in 2008 and the addition of the 5.4L in at least the Police application as an option.
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Re: As a feal fan of Ford.......... [pantherapardus] by bigunit67
Dec 13, 2006 (7:15 pm)
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Replying to: pantherapardus (Dec 11, 2006 10:30 am)

Ford has simplified the lineup and offerings down to pare costs. Cost control is impt, but you don't recover your toe hold on pure cost strategy alone. Boldness is what saves you. It makes sense to me to invest in your most profitable car platform versus simply milking it for what it will bring.
 
Borrow from the research and development on the Escape hybrid and introduce a V-6 + Hybrid option for the CV....keep the 4.6 currently in usage...allow for a Marauder-style performance package with a 3-valve 4.6 engine that is already in the Explorer. Update the transmission with ones in the development pipeline. Change the styling from 'go-along' to more 'get out of my way'.
 
My point is, Do Something Bill Ford. Yes, I will argue it has many benefits to offer being just what it is. However, if you want the new, younger buyers to take note, a dash of 21st century appeal must be added to what is a solid 20th century-designed car if you want to save it...and the company that makes it, imho.
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Re: As a feal fan of Ford.......... [bigunit67] by hwyhobo
Dec 13, 2006 (10:58 pm)
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Replying to: bigunit67 (Dec 13, 2006 7:15 pm)

Borrow from the research and development on the Escape hybrid and introduce a V-6 + Hybrid option for the CV
 
Agreed. Everyone wants better fuel efficiency these days.
 
Change the styling from 'go-along' to more 'get out of my way' [...] if you want the new, younger buyers to take note, a dash of 21st century appeal must be added
 
Please, Bill Ford, don't do it. Younger buyers will not buy CV, and you will lose your base. Have we forgotten the "This is not your father's Oldsmobile" and the roaring success of that campaign? Always take care of your core buyers first. I love the styling of the CV and the GM (even more the one before the last GM "refresh"), I just want 3 things:
 
1a. Passthrough between the trunk and the interior for longer items
 - or even better -
1b. Wagon option
 - and of course -
2. Better fuel efficiency (how about a diesel compliant with all 50 states?)
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Re: As a feal fan of Ford.......... [hwyhobo] by bigunit67
Dec 15, 2006 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: hwyhobo (Dec 13, 2006 10:58 pm)

I don't know hwyhobo...Diamler Chrysler conceived of and came out with the 300 platform, which cuts across many demographics and is a hit in mild V-6 and wild V-8 versions. CV and GM have a certain image that it might take a while to overcome to begin bringing in younger buyers, but I'm not advocating making them into smaller cars...just more modern. I just want them to begin using the excellent "canvas" that the platform provides and begin paiting more than just by the numbers.

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