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#143 of 152 Re: Despite the [peetiedog] by euphonium Mar 10, 2008 (2:05 pm)
Replying to: peetiedog (Mar 09, 2008 9:19 pm) I have the memory of the American Labor Movement constantly entitling themselves to more wages and benefits while performing mediocre levels of craftsmanship while their overseas counterparts were supplying us with superior quality products. This chipping away has successfully priced the ALM out of work. To meet the demands of the stockholder, management has cut costs of production by moving manufacturing overseas.   How ready is the American Labor Movement willing to give up their massive benefits, unrealistic wages, for service performed, & submit to returning to where they were in the 1950's?   How ready is the American Labor Movement willing to provide higher quality of craftsmanship in exchange for a job that has to pay less in wages and benefits?   The Middle Class is not willing to recognize what it has done to itself as it still has too much arrogance and pride blinding their vision. Replies to this message: carthell (Jun 07, 2008 4:54 pm)
#144 of 152 Engine by ionosphere1 Mar 11, 2008 (9:59 am)
Yes, better gas mileage in the Grand Marquis would be nice, but I have no complaint about the horsepower. Lots of so called experts make a big deal that for a V8 engine it does not have much horsepower. Well, I have no problem getting up to speed so it has enough horsepower. I am not an old man and like the interior. I wish the dashboard was all digital though, like older models were. Guess they went back to analog, because they thought people wanted that? I end up always looking at the digital speed display instead of the dial.
#145 of 152 ion by marsha7 Mar 12, 2008 (6:50 am)
I absolutely HATED the digital dashboards for the speedometer...for the clock, it is OK, but for speed I just like the round analog dials...
#146 of 152 Digital forever by ionosphere1 Mar 12, 2008 (5:34 pm)
Not me. Wish it was all digital. Replies to this message: euphonium (Mar 12, 2008 7:27 pm)
#147 of 152 Re: Digital forever [ionosphere1] by euphonium Mar 12, 2008 (7:27 pm)
Replying to: ionosphere1 (Mar 12, 2008 5:34 pm) My 94 Town Car Signature is Digital & I like it over the wife's 95 T Bird analog. It matches the analog tachometer next to it.   I would trade one of the two digital trip odometers for a digital tach on the TC.
#148 of 152 Sorry, guys, by marsha7 Mar 13, 2008 (6:08 am)
may digital rest in peace in the scrapheap of automotive history...
#149 of 152 Since we're taking a poll on the interior... by hwyhobo Mar 14, 2008 (11:50 pm)
I will vote for all analog. For that matter, I am happy with interior and exterior as is. In fact, I hope Ford never changes the exterior of the Merc GM. Continuity would be nice for a change. Instead of making cosmetic changes, make a huge one and offer a plug-in hybrid (PIH) version. Yeah, I know, not yet, but one day.   Oh, oh, and please offer a wagon. I can't stand SUVs.
#150 of 152 Styling by ionosphere1 Mar 15, 2008 (1:05 pm)
I think the Grand Marquis is one of the nicest looking cars out there right now. Would someone please tell me what is so great about SUV's, Honda Accords, Toyota Camry's, etc.? I think the large American sedans of the 1970's and 1980's had a lot more style than most cars made now, and the Grand Marquis is the standard bearer now. I'm not an old stick-in-the-mud, as I love futuristic concept cars too, but the cars mentioned bear no resemblance to those.
#151 of 152 2nd timer CV owner. by helmetcam Apr 11, 2008 (11:28 am)
Had 2000 CV Lx, gave it up. Just got 2004 CV Lx Sport with 29,000. It is so similiar to the Maruader...minus the horsepower, I am a proud owner. Is there any good/bad info about this year and model?
#152 of 152 Re: Despite the [euphonium] by carthell Jun 07, 2008 (4:54 pm)
Replying to: euphonium (Mar 10, 2008 2:05 pm) How ready is the American Labor Movement willing to give up their massive benefits, unrealistic wages, for service performed, & submit to returning to where they were in the 1950's?   The minute all living costs go down to 1950s levels, sure. But the costs of living have always gone up, therein lies the rub.   The Middle Class is not willing to recognize what it has done to itself as it still has too much arrogance and pride blinding their vision.   What's the alternative? I've been in the ranks of the working poor and the completely poor (fortunately not homeless), and everyday life was pretty much spent in frustration. What little dollars that could be saved eventually went away because of a big, necessary expense that would crop up from time to time (often the equivalent the amount saved). I experienced spending "plans" that was so controlled that almost everything was distributed in a Soviet-style rationing scheme (but we ran out of money and food near the end of the month nonetheless). My economic position limited me to living in a really nasty part of town that was fairly abrasive to my physical being and soul (overrun by crime, drugs, trash, noise).   When I was able to secure a job that paid me enough to escape all of that, I left. When the big expenses come, they are annoyances, not a complete financial reset-to-zero. When I walk out my door, I don't have to worry about getting shot or mugged in my neighborhood. I can afford many things that will make my life comfortable now. I put enough away so (hopefully) I can still have a comfortable life when the work career stops.    To want and achieve a comfortable life is not arrogance; it definitely beats the alternative. I'm also thinking that you're aiming too low on the totem pole of business. The auto assembler in this country has absolutely no control of how many resources are expended to create a vehicle with quality parts (excluding the Panther platform, based on its dominance in fleets for decades). If the CEOs of the American auto industry back in the '70s, '80s and '90s had put more thought into creating appealing, reliable, fuel-efficient vehicles, the domestics today wouldn't be mired in the fiscal problems that they have.   Now, having said that...   I hope the large car platform stays, especially Ford's CV/GM iteration. I did not like the 'Vic until the 1992 MY, when they re-designed the car so it would not look like a assemblage of squares and rectangles on wheels. As a taxi patron, I appreciate the passenger space. I also understand that not all people can fit into anything smaller. My brother, who has long legs, injured himself while trying to get behind the wheel of a Cavalier. He can fit into large trucks, but doesn't have the budget to own a truck that could accommodate his family.

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