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Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, Sedan
#2 of 152 Re: Future Crown Vic and Grand Marquis [a_l_hubcaps]
Jan 28, 2005 (8:08 pm)
I've heard the rumor about a 2008 redesign based on the Aus Falcon, but not the Explorer... I'd like to think that given the popularity of Dodge/Chrysler RWD vehicles of late, ford would be smarter than to switch the CV/GM to a FWD D3 platform. This is especially true when you consider that there would be overlap between a Five Hundred and a D3 based Crown Victoria.
I'd hate to see the Panther platform retired; it's a proven design, and with an updated body/interior for the CV/GM, could last at least another decade. If they do decide to retire the platform, I could see them using the Explorer platform since it most closely matches the Panther.
#3 of 152 Questions
Jan 30, 2005 (9:17 pm)
What would take to update the Panther platform from up to date standards?
What would take to stretch the Lincoln LS platform to work as the foundation for the next CV/GM/TC?
Could Ford use one of its European platforms? Maybe a reworked version of the XJ architecture?
#4 of 152 Re: Questions [flasvt]
Jan 31, 2005 (5:38 am)
Iím not sure if itís a question of bringing the Panther platform up to date; this is the last RWD, body-on-frame, rigid rear suspension platform available on a sedan. Almost all sedans (and even most SUVís) are unit-body constructed with independent suspensions and FWD. The technology may be several decades old, but the Panther platform has been highly refined over the years (specifically with the 2003 MY), and has been proven to be extremely durable (which is why you see so many Panther police cars and taxis).
I have a í92 Grand Marquis with 130K+ miles that I bought a couple of years ago as a stopgap until I could afford a new vehicle. After having the car checked out, I found that everything is in good working order after 13 years of continuous use, and in fact, I could even expect another 70K or so miles out of it. My girlfriends 2000 Neon by contrast, needs $3500 in engine, suspension, and transmission work over the next few months, and it only has 73K miles on itÖ Sometimes newer isnít better.
Granted, itís not the car for everyone, but there are lots of us who would like to be able to buy a large, comfortable RWD car that we could squeeze 15 years out of it if we had toÖ I think for Ford to retire the platform just because itís old would be a disservice. As long as it can still turn a profit, why mess with what works?
The Lincoln LS platform was borrowed from Europe I believe; Iím not sure it could be stretched & widened to make a good replacement for the PantherÖ Does anyone else know about the LS, and how hard it would be to modify?
#5 of 152 Since the tooling was paid
Feb 08, 2005 (10:34 am)
for probably 15-20 years ago (I had an 83 Grand Marquis) they could continue this platform even with low to medium volume...since it is stereotypically an "older person's car" (except to those of us young folks smart enough to know a good car when we see one), there will be for some years enough old folks to keep buying these cars...I would like to see some upgrades (I know, they have upgraded many suspension and safety features already) that I have mentioned on the regular CV/GM site...firmer seats with better leather...put side marker lights on the CV like the GM, as it is a safety feature for night vision not just a style feature...bring back the rear amber signal lights that they had a few years ago on the CV and took away in 2004 (safety, again)...maybe upgrade the sound system for something like Explorer Limited or Mustang has, something a little more modern that what is in there now, or at least a sound system UPGRADE, for those of us who want more than most old folks want...add door and truck ajar lights, as even the Taurus has this...since many Fords are going to 5 speed auto trannies, throw one in the CV/GM...UPGRADE the engine to 275-300 HP, like the Mustang engine or the Marauder engine...right now only the GM has a roof console with Homelink, add it to CV, as my current one has extra lights and a compass...it seems a lot of platic with an on-off button just to turn on a compass...they should look at what Dodge offers, a trip computer, Homelink and a compass and outside temp all in the roof console...get the outisde temp out of the heater control where it is so annoying to push the button just for outside temp, place it above like Dodge where you can see compass direction and outisde temp on one screen that you leave on all the time...maybe put a digital trip odometer like in Taurus, but keep the dials and gauges analog...even tho it has an auto trans, add a tachometer, since they have one in Taurus and it has an auto trans...that's my "short list" for now, more to be added later...
Feb 09, 2005 (8:58 pm)
Take a look at this article. It has 2 major points about the future of the CV/GM:
"In 2006, a $100-million US investment will see changes to the cars' grilles, bumpers and front ends."
"In 2008, another $200 million US will be spent on a more extensive redesign."
Given that rumors have long claimed the GM would get a facelift for MY2006, I suspect these are both MYs rather than CYs. $200 million is not enough to launch an all-new model, or even a substantially new model on an existing platform. So I take this article to mean that the cars will stay on Panther through at least MY2009 (since they wouldn't redesign the car and only make it for one year).
#7 of 152 Panther Seems to Be Sticking Around
Feb 21, 2005 (6:10 am)
It appears Ford is going to stick with the Panther for a few more years, which for anyone who has actually owned one, knows is good news.
I'd like to see the 3 valve 4.6 liter make it's way into the car very soon, and another gear or two in the tranny (though the 5 speed auto doesn't nearly have the reputation as the 4 speed being currently used).
I think Ford has decided not to keep their full size sedan in the $20k-$30k out the door price range. The platform has been heavily modified structurally and mechanically, now they just need to update the exterior and interior.
Feb 21, 2005 (2:02 pm)
I'll admit that I have a special place in my heart (as well as garage, as I age) for Crown Vics. My grandmother had an early 80's one (they were called LTD Crown Victoria's or something) and she refused to sell it because "new cars are all tin cans! If one of those big buses came along and hit me in a Hondai or whatever you call them, I'd die!" Ah, bless her.
Well, the Panther works, and I really hope that Ford keeps it. It's a proven design, and tons of people have bought one (or more) of them. Ford could easily keep Panther around for another 7-10 years if they kept refining it. For their sake, because a lot of customers would switch to an Avalon or 300 (Lucerne???) if something happened to the Crown Vic. And, considering Ford's less than stellar redesign work, (IMO) I don't think that it would work out. When I first heard of the 500, I thought that Ford meant to erase the Crown Vic! But they don't, so i'm all good. No FWD, though. Crown Vic's have been RWD since they were LTD's, and that shouldn't change. BTW, I also liked the Marauder, and a super-refined Marauder engine would be perfect for the CV/GM. Venerable cars. Not in the sense of a Mustang or Corvette, but both have their spot in automotive history.
OK, I'm done.
#10 of 152 As for the Town Car
Mar 17, 2005 (4:01 pm)
Delete the side bulge which makes it look like a pregnant weasel and replace the "Ford" engine with the 300 hp 4.6. After all, you don't see a Chevy powered Caddie. Giving the TC more running ability may just prevent it from being caught by an oversexed Weasel.
#11 of 152 Pregnant weasels?
Mar 17, 2005 (5:05 pm)
I am tempted to ask when and why you have observed pregnant weasels, but some things it is just best not to know....