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Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG, Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG, SUV
#49 of 125 I agree with jpouchet
Apr 07, 2005 (11:27 am)
I took a look at the new M class, but did not drive it. Interior seemed diappointing, especially the leather. I have a 2001 M class and a c320 (MB of Laguna Niguel). Reliability of both has been dismal, although dealer service has been excellent. I am sure that Mercedes will sell a fair number of these, but you probably get more for your money (and probably better reliability) with a lexus or toyota.
#50 of 125 Re: I agree with jpouchet [afif]
Apr 07, 2005 (12:08 pm)
Recent history is what it is with these vehicles, but only time will tell with regards to reliability on the most recent product. The interior is sturdy, the switchgear isn't flimsy or unintuitive. The leather isn't Nappa, but it's thick and a bit rugged, which, for what is often times a family car that kids and dogs have their way with, is what should hold up the best. If it's that disappointing, just what level of expectations do you have?
#51 of 125 Re: I agree with jpouchet [stroudman]
Apr 07, 2005 (1:43 pm)
you are probably right about the leather, but I guess I am used to the leather on my other cars. The dashboard felt a little plasticky. Who knows, I might end up with one in a few years, but only if the reliability is good.
#52 of 125 Re: I agree with jpouchet [afif]
Apr 08, 2005 (12:24 pm)
We already own an E 320 with a purchase price of just under 50k and I expect that an ML going for the same price should be equally as well appointed. When you look at it its the same basic motor and transmission with all wheel drive instead of rear wheel so there is a bit of extra cost there but the platform for the ML has got to be a lot cheaper than the E. Let's deal with reality here, the car is built in Alabama, it has to have a lower material and labor cost than the E. So why price it at $48-50k and then saddle it with cheap interior materials. If I'm going to pay luxury prices for an SUV then I expect the manufacture to deliver.
Granted, the ML is still one FINE vehicle. Please don't think for a moment that I do not find the ML to be a vast improvement offer the previous offering. The ride and handling are much better, the visibility is improved, and the cargo area is fantastic, probably the best of anything in its class with the possible exception of the Escalade/Denali/Navigator which are all on a larger truck platform.
I truly believe Mercedes Benz North America will sell as many as they can produce with very little trouble just not to me.
(Note: after a lot of research on the subject, several lengthy test drives, some research on the cost of a rental SUV, and a series of long talks with the family to determine what we would really use versus want, I opted to go and buy a convertible instead of an SUV. Long story short - more fun, cheaper to drive, significantly better MPG, and I can rent a plain-jane SUV for about $275/week if I really want one for a long trip. So I will be leaving this forum shortly. Best wishes to those of you who pursue a new ML. I think you will be quite happy with your purchase.
#53 of 125 Re: I agree with jpouchet [jpouchet]
Apr 08, 2005 (1:24 pm)
this is an instance where we're not only comparing two very different vehicles, but two vehicles that are from different eras. The W210 e-class was designed in the mid 90's, so an '02 model is the same car with a couple of more airbags, V6 rather than straight 6, and a couple of cosmetic changes, but mostly a '96 car. An '06 E350 is an entirely different car, with a base price of $50,050. Even with just a sunroof package and freight, that car actually prices at $52,320 in black, white, or midnight blue only. So if you want silver, or navigation, or satellite radio, etc., the sky's the limit. New 268 hp motor, 7-speed tranny, very up-to-date.
The base on the M-class is $39,750, over $10k less than the E. Once you put the basics on that vehicle - leather, power seats, roof, tint, sound + 6-disc, you're up to about $45k, maybe $46K. Once you've reached the $48-50k range, you have navi, metallic paint, heated seats, a very well equipped M-class. Same 268 hp, same 7-speed gearbox, and now a monocoque chassis, that there is no reason to believe is inferior in build quality to the W211 E-class.
Apr 21, 2005 (8:59 am)
Just picked up our new ML500 last weekend. Silver with dark charcoal interior. Bought it off the showroom floor and it was pretty loaded....premium package, light package, comfort package etc. In fact, the only options not on the car were the off road package and the AMG package. Took it to Chicago this weekend and so far, love the vehicle. The 500 has lots of power, and with the airmatic, handles very well. The M class is also the first vehicle that doesn't require the "hockey puck" for satellite radio. It's already intergrated, so we got that too. Can't give you much help on getting a good deal because we used the Daimler employee discount of 12.25% off of sticker (my son works for Daimler-Chrysler). However, over the next few weeks, will be able to comment on the car in general. FYI, also picked up the new CLS500 on the same day. Got it in the Launch Edition. Two really great cars, and we are excited to be in the MB family.
#55 of 125 Re: Bought One [clsclass]
Apr 21, 2005 (5:37 pm)
Congratulations on both purchases! Please let us know the good/bad regarding the ownership experience for both models as time goes on.
#56 of 125 Re: Bought One [clsclass]
Apr 21, 2005 (8:11 pm)
Yes! Please do stick around and let us know all about your ownership experience with both of these brand-new Mercedes models. The M I'm especially curious to know about in regards to reliability and build quality.
#57 of 125 Re: New ML - marketing question [cornellpinoy]
Apr 22, 2005 (4:46 am)
"Stroudman & Merc1 - do you know if Mercedes is planning on doing a "test and ride" event for the new ML - similar to the C-Spot and Love Mercedes events last year?"
Here you go:
I'm signed up for June 3rd (Chicago area)! Though I could just to drive one at the dealer by then huh, but I like these type of events.
#58 of 125 Re: New ML - marketing question [merc1]
Apr 22, 2005 (10:07 pm)
This is much appreciated. I'm signed up for the weekend in NJ. I really enjoy these events as well!