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Toyota FJ Cruiser, SUV
Feb 12, 2005 (10:26 pm)
so just exactly what is the Matrix, if not a car? LOL
Oh yeah, and you forgot the Prius.
And I think of it more in terms of cars and trucks. For Yota, the count is five trucks, 7 cars, and two wannabe middle-of-the-roaders, the RAV and Highlander, which really can't do anything trucky but do sit tall and look the part, with the consequent loss of fuel economy that entails.
Now we can add one to the trucks count, the FJ. 2006, here we come. I will almost definitely be picking one of these suckers up. But having picked up a first-year Toyota recently (my can-of-loose-bolts '03 Matrix), I will not soon be making the mistake of buying in the first year again. So perhaps my own driveway will not contain an FJ until calendar 2007...
PS After MR2 and Celica go, the next two on the possible mid-future chopping block are Echo and Land Cruiser, so one of each, car and truck. Just in case you wanted to, say, accuse Toyota of being heavily truck-biased...
#89 of 1889 I count Matrix, and it's kin, as Small SUVs
Feb 13, 2005 (9:08 am)
Too tall, boxy, and useful to be cars. Why it's sales are counted with Corolla makes NO SENSE! They may share a platform and engine, but come on, who they kiddin'!
Yeah, the new Cruiser I guess replaces the Real Cruiser, by 2007 I'd say.
I test drove the Vibe GT. Was a LOT of fun!
Steering wheel seemed welded into the dash, though. Driving became awkward. But roomy!
How can I forget Prius?
I left out Tundra and Tacoma. They definitely aren't cars.
Toyota has become cars are for girls, trucks are for guys. I'm nmot vibin' with them right now.
I'm selling my Civic and looking at the 93 MR2.
But 132k? Guy wants $6k. It's in great shape, but not that much.
I want a Cooper, made by 'Yota!
Feb 13, 2005 (10:38 am)
Hmm.... i don't really have a problem with 'Yota having a bunch of trucks. I mean, look at Chevy.... or Ford.... well anyway. I hope that Toyota axes the Land Cruiser or makes it a more powerful trim of Sequoia or something. I hope that they make that Supra replacement thingamajig, because cutting the Supra is like cutting an arm off. Then they need to make the Highlander a little more refined, and more clearly a crossover. Then they need to move 4 Runner down in price to compete with the Trailblazer and Explorer. Also, making it a little bigger. Then they could position the FJ in between the Higlander and RAV4 in terms of price. Also, they should add a more powerful 4 cylinder to the RAV4 or make a V-6 option.
As for cars.... Bring back Supra Prius rocks. A little more power wouldn't hurt. Camry needs new styling. I guess when you're pumping out 400000 of any car a year it would look boring anyway. Bigger engine in Matrix. More power in Tundra.
#91 of 1889 Re: I count Matrix, and it's kin, as Small SUVs [callmedrfill]
Feb 13, 2005 (10:04 pm)
Did you not see this?
"Contrary to rumors, Toyota's Supra replacement will in no way, shape or form, bear any resemblance to the Giugiaro-designed Volta concept which appeared in Geneva last March. Toyota does, however, plan on delivering a high-performance sports car along the lines of the departed Supra some time between the end of 2006 and 2007. This two-door, front-engine, rear-wheel-drive sport coupe might be built on an all-new platform, although it's expected that Lexus will not build its own variation. Toyota's luxury subsidiary will instead build its own supercar based on the LF-A concept shown at this year's Detroit auto show. The car will probably be priced from around $30,000 and some sort of prototype could very likely debut at the 2005 Tokyo Motor Show"
Now you can quit whining about your supra. I currently own a 98 4'runner. With the exception of the cupholders, and lack of power(the v-6 is laggy) it is one of the best "trucks" out there. I tell ya what though...I wouldn't trade it for one the new 4'runners. Too mommy-fied for my taste.
For all you comparing a nissan product to a toyota product, you should be ashamed. Don't get me wrong I like nissan styling. Their reliability though leaves something to be desired.
This FJ looks to be a great truck for toyota. Something that can compete with jeep for off-road capability AND still have the piece of mind with toyota reliability.
#92 of 1889 I ain't buyin' that link!
Feb 14, 2005 (12:31 am)
And if they do bring it back, it's too late by then.
The Sports car market cycle(outside of 'Vette) has only 3-4 years to it, then it's burnt out, then dormant for 4-5 years. 'Yota has clearly missed this cycle.
They WILL build that Lexus supercar!
But they won't "dumb it down" enough to make the Supra live again, in any relevant form.
And it would hurt the Lexus. You can't sell a $100k car, then sell a knock-off with strong performance for $30K. Rich folks ain't havin' it!
Stop talking about Supra! It depresses me!
FJ is uglier than the original, and IT MISSED this SUV cycle (Hummer cycle) too!
All the freaks will buy it for a couple of years, than it's a Celica.
#93 of 1889 Re: I ain't buyin' that link! [callmedrfill]
Feb 14, 2005 (5:14 am)
"FJ is uglier than the original, and IT MISSED this SUV cycle (Hummer cycle) too!"
That comments make me wonder just what you are filled with, fill.
If you havent learned the SUV is not a "cycle" by now, check the numbers.
In fact, the only downside to an SUV is the bulk, which, guess what, Toyota solves with the perfectly proportioned and styled FJ.
Feb 14, 2005 (5:56 am)
A. The Super Off-Roader is a "Cycle"
This is not a 4Runner, that can take potholes smoothly, and rock the rocks. This is a dedicated off-road machine. You are playing to a very narrow market. AND only 2-doors! Limits it's versatility.
B. The Element and XTerra didn't fly far.
The Element is high teens! The Xterra sells 60-70k? With 4 doors? This truck is $22-23k all over the place. Over $25k with options!
C. The market is heading DEEP into crossover SUV.
Why NOW release a super off-roader? Timing?
Look up the Toyota RSC from the 2002 Show Circuit. THAT is where the market is headed in 5-7 years.
Release THAT off-roader, today!! I'm all over it!
I'll buy two of those!!
And I guess you haven't seem a hooked-up old-school FJ. Watch MTV's "Pimp My Ride", where they do one up in YELLOW (!), and it looks hard as hell!
It looks like Wrangler's Big Brother, just out of the Slammer, on more 'Roids than Giambi!
Remake THAT FJ!
Toyota can do better.
Make a Supra
Make an RSC.
Remake the FJ PROPERLY.
Feb 14, 2005 (7:40 am)
you've got me grinning here! OK, lessee...
" B. The Element and XTerra didn't fly far."
Both outsold their respective companies' sales projections, right out of the gate. The XTerra continued to do so through most of its first gen model cycle, and Honda had to shift production to build more Elements to meet demand.
But forget Element, it is a car, FJ is a truck. XTerra is the only comparable vehicle out there.
"This truck is $22-23k all over the place. Over $25k with options!"
As will be the FJ, I am sure. And your point is? Perhaps the only other small truck-based SUV you could compare besides the XTerra is the Jeep Liberty, which also costs around this much with the V-6 and 4WD, and that is a V-6 that is seriously down on power compared to the FJ's 4.0
"Why NOW release a super off-roader? Timing?"
NO, because Toyota no longer has one (unless you have $50K to spend on an LC, and REALLY like leather). And it has always been a truck company with some genuine offroad cred. To maintain that, it needs a vehicle like FJ right now.
Oh yeah, and
"A. The Super Off-Roader is a "Cycle"
This is not a 4Runner, that can take potholes smoothly, and rock the rocks. This is a dedicated off-road machine. You are playing to a very narrow market. AND only 2-doors! Limits it's versatility."
I am not sure where you got the idea that the Super Off Roader, whatever that is, is a cycle. There are as many people today, if not more, as there were 40 years ago that like to go offroad in their trucks. It was never a big portion of the market, but it is a small, strong foundation on which to base a truck like FJ. Add to that a bunch of people who will want one for the snow and only need a smaller vehicle, and a few who just think it looks cool or want an SUV but can't afford a midsize one, and bingo! 50K sales per year easy. IIRC, Toyota is only hoping for 40K in the first year.
And this has all the mechanicals of the Tacoma, so where's the downside for Toyota? It can be brought to market cheaply for them, and as a result can be a niche model rather than one that has to draw down major sales to recoup costs.
Feb 14, 2005 (8:22 am)
"XTerra is the only comparable vehicle out there."
Well there is also the Kia Sorento.
So the only question is why WOULDNT Toyota (or anyone else) put out a vehicle with only two direct competitors?
Especially when it overtakes both of them in terms of design and quality so much so that in effect it has NO direct competition?
Thanks to the FJ, you wont have to settle or compromise with any of the LAME current crop of SUVs or crossovers out there.
Feb 14, 2005 (9:04 am)
yeah, I hadn't thought of the Sorento. That one is still frame-based for a while longer, but isn't really in the same category in my mind because it has nothing in the way of offroad-oriented equipment. I don't think it has a two-speed transfer case? It runs on passenger radials. It is designed as a people mover; in fact it has been criticized for its weight because it has been compared to unibody people-movers as its intended competition.
XTerra is solid competition for FJ, Liberty is less so, and to me that seems to be about it, unless you want to toss in Wrangler, which I wouldn't.