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#1 of 1889 Why you should HATE The 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser 4X4!
Jan 19, 2005 (8:24 am)
I love Mighty 'Yota! Oh what a feeling! They have blessed us with legendary cars (Supra, Lexus LS, MR2 Turbo, Celica All-Trac, Lexus SC, 2000GT, etc.) and wonderful trucks and SUVs (4Runner, Land Crusher, Tacoma, RX), but this is stepping over the line!
February 9th, at the Chicago Auto Show, a show where automakers habitually release future production trucks to Middle America, Toyota will release what by all signs will be a PRODUCTION version of the FJ 4X4 SUV concept from last years auto circuit.
The issue is this. Jim Press, at about this time last year, stated that the desired successor to the legendary Toyota Supra would never come, instead another truck, based on the FJ 4X4 concept would be produced. So, ipso factso, Toyota thinks you want this truck more than a Supracar! A SIXTH SUV from 'Yota (not including Lexus)!! Let's see. Six SUVs. Zero sports cars. And Toyota wants to attract younger buyers. Uh......yeah.
This truck in particular is being labeled as a off-roader for younger buyers. So I'd have to assume this falls somewhere near XTerra's turf in competition. Why not turn the RAV4, which sells aboyut the same as Xterra, into a off-roader, and give me my love back!!!
Some of you think 'Yota will knock off this potential LF-A concept and make a Supra from it's platform. I wouldn't bet on it. How many $125k, 500HP supercars spawn $40k, 350HP kid brothers? How many sportscars does 'Yota have in them? I say one. Why water down your supercar? Who would buy a hairier Toyota sportscar at $125k? A Lexus dealer would have nightmares justifying that!
I could go on......how 'bout you?
#2 of 1889 Re: Why you should HATE The 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser 4X4! [callmedrfill]
Jan 19, 2005 (8:56 am)
Way to jump to conclusions.
The FJ does not mean that the new Supra successor will not materialize, nor do Jim Press's one year old comments. Things change, my friend.
The RAV4 is a soft-roader that caters to a youthful market/small families that likely don't care about real off-roading. The FJ would appeal to those who do.
Whats the issue?
More choices = a good thing.
If you want a sports car, why does it have to be a Toyota?
Jan 19, 2005 (6:35 pm)
They've proven they would make the best! Period.
We need another SUV like we need another McDonald's!
#4 of 1889 oh but my friend
Jan 19, 2005 (10:20 pm)
Dr Fill, we NEED Toyota to bring out this FJ! If it is everything it appeared to be in the concept a while back, it will be the first dirt-worthy covered truck from Toyota since they went and mommy-fied the 4Runner. HL, RAV? No way I would take either of those off a level graded road.
OTOH, here is a truck-based two-door with an actual back seat, and a decent engine to go with it! The S/C 3.4 from the two-years-ago concept truck will not make it to the light of day, I don't think. Not since they stopped using it in favor of the new 4.0L in the Tacoma for '05. If they could just manage to keep some of the weight out of the FJ, I would even be satisfied with the 2.7L 4-cyl from the Tacoma. Just make sure it has available stick shift and a 2-speed transfer case.
Supra, Schmupra. I loved the old Supra as much as anybody, but the market is flooded with affordable fast cars (including some VERY fast cars). OTOH, as you point out, the Xterra is just about the only thing out there right now in this category of one.
#5 of 1889 I'd understand if that market of one was a big market!
Jan 20, 2005 (6:34 am)
Xterra sales have peaked at about 75k.
Now you wanna split that pie with a TWO-DOOR SUV? Por que?
I know America loves trucks, but when you have 5 SUV's, and 2 Crew Cab P/U's, give it a rest, ok?
RAV4 sales have waned, throw money into that!
That's my beef. I don't have a problem with the truck, but why invest in it? How many 2-door SUV's last here in America? Wasn't the 4Runner a 2-door? What happened?
Bronco? Vehicross? Amigo? Cherokee? RamCharger?
Haven't we fallen down this flight of stairs before? (Every year, Gus, your wife rips down the steps!)
And, as I said before, they want to get younger, but they will sell NO sports cars, WHEN THERE IS A MARKET FOR THEM?
If they won't sell one NOW.....
Jan 20, 2005 (7:25 am)
I hear you, but I suspect that if it makes it to the street, the FJ will have 2 and 4-door variants, and probably the 4-door will sell better. People liked those cute ragtop 2-door RAVs from the 90s - maybe they should do that treatment for the FJ as well, a la Jeep Wrangler.
Point is, most of the SUVs Toyota sells are street-oriented, for the very good reason that the street is where most people use them. I want a small SUV where the 'U' part of the equation still exists.
In fact, the big T should do itself a favor and try to differentiate its models more. When the HL gets bigger next year, it will step all over the 4Runner. And there are plenty of people who don't want a pick-up but want to go offroad, etc. Mostly now, they buy Jeeps. Come on Toyota, live up to your heritage!
PS crew cab Tacoma (with actual back seats) with the 4WD and the V-6 runs 26, 28 grand...the FJ needs to be small and come in under that price.
Jan 20, 2005 (9:43 am)
OK, since we're not going to have a separate topic just for haters, the discussion title has been changed.
Jan 20, 2005 (1:41 pm)
I forgot to ask you - where did you hear the FJ would come to the March show in Chicago? If that is for real, I might have to head over that way and check it out - our show in San Francisco doesn't come until Thanksgiving.
#9 of 1889 Oh, that's a straight-up 'Yota press release!
Jan 20, 2005 (7:22 pm)
Date, time, address, name of the ballroom, everything.
I wouldn't start a forum without it being gospel.
You think this thing is worthy of a 4 hour flight?
Jan 21, 2005 (2:52 pm)
I've got other business in Chicago I can do any time, so why not in early March, eh?!
Seems like there is not much interest in this type of vehicle from the Edmunds crowd, though. I hope they go ahead with it. It is unlikely they will drop it at this stage if the Chicago debut model is indeed production-ready.
I want to get a gander at what the specs will more likely be versus the very-much-a-concept from two years ago.