Honda Accord Hybrid - worth the extra $$$? - READ ONLY

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#210 of 223 Review says "weight" by larsb Apr 19, 2005 (12:17 pm)
this reviews says it was the weight - Oh My Gosh those Sunroofs are SO HEAVY !! http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=16693 THIS review says elminating the sunroof adds 5% more interior space: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2004-09-23-accord-hybrid_x.htm Replies to this message: electrictroy (Apr 20, 2005 5:49 am) backy (Apr 21, 2005 3:52 am) blane (Apr 22, 2005 12:06 pm) and 2 more...
#211 of 223 PZEV Vs. Regular Accords by joon Apr 19, 2005 (2:50 pm)
I read comparisons between the PZEV and HAH. I have not seen one comparing the PZEV with regular Accords? I noticed that the prices are pretty similar (couple of hundred bucks apart). What are the downside (if any) of the PZEV? Thanks. Replies to this message: electrictroy (Apr 20, 2005 5:56 am)
#212 of 223 PZEV is slightly less efficient regarding MPG in the CIVIC HYBRID by larsb Apr 19, 2005 (2:58 pm)
I am still looking for Accord Hybrid PZEV specifics, but in the CIVIC HYBRIDS, the AT-PZEV rating makes a minor sacrifice of MPG to achieve greater exhaust cleanliness. "AT-PZEV model mileage range will be lower."
#213 of 223 Review says "weight" or "more interior space" by electrictroy Apr 20, 2005 (5:49 am)
Replying to: larsb (Apr 19, 2005 12:17 pm) Weight = doubtful; it's ony 1/2% more weight.. trivial Interior space = no..... I've got a moonroof, and it doesn't subtract any interior space. How about "aerodynamics"? Having that bump on the roof might increase drag. troy Replies to this message: backy (Apr 21, 2005 3:52 am) blane (Apr 22, 2005 12:06 pm) electrictroy (Apr 26, 2005 8:26 am) and 1 more...
#214 of 223 Re: PZEV Vs. Regular Accords [joon] by electrictroy Apr 20, 2005 (5:56 am)
Replying to: joon (Apr 19, 2005 2:50 pm) Where are you guys getting the "sulev/pzev" rating? Even in California, the Accord Hybrid is only a ULEV. . The reason the Civic Hybrid lost MPG when adjusted to Sulev/Pzev standards is due to the lean-burn. Lean-burn produces a lot of NOx... too much to pass... so the California CH had to limit lean-burn to near-zero usage... which of course impacted MPG. The Accord Hybrid doesn't use lean-burn, so Honda might be able to clean it up w/o impacting the MPG. troy
#215 of 223 Re sunroofs and interior space by backy Apr 21, 2005 (3:52 am)
Replying to: electrictroy (Apr 20, 2005 5:49 am) According to Honda, adding the sunroof to the Accord sedan takes off five cubic feet from the interior room. http://automobiles.honda.com/models/specifications_full_specs.asp?ModelName=Accord+Sedan&C- ategory=2 Replies to this message: blane (Apr 22, 2005 12:06 pm) electrictroy (Apr 26, 2005 8:26 am) backy (Apr 26, 2005 3:08 pm)
#216 of 223 Re: Re sunroofs and interior space [backy] by blane Apr 22, 2005 (12:06 pm)
Replying to: backy (Apr 21, 2005 3:52 am) backy: That seems reasonable. Two inches less headroom, multipied by the square footage area of the interior roof, could equate to the sunroof taking up about five cubic feet. That way, if they continue to sell the HAH without a sunroof, Honda could lower the entire roof by two inches, thus reducing air drag and the coefficient of friction. Just think of the exponential increase in fuel mileage with less frontal area. Replies to this message: electrictroy (Apr 26, 2005 8:26 am) backy (Apr 26, 2005 3:08 pm)
#217 of 223 Re: Re sunroofs and interior space [blane] by electrictroy Apr 26, 2005 (8:26 am)
Replying to: blane (Apr 22, 2005 12:06 pm) I still don't understand? The sunroof in my old Dodge was flush-mounted. It didn't take up any interior space. Why can't Honda use the same design? troy Replies to this message: backy (Apr 26, 2005 3:08 pm)
#218 of 223 Sunroof by grove4 Apr 26, 2005 (3:01 pm)
It was only a weight issue that is all.They had to cut weight b/c they were adding weight with batteries,motor,generator,etc,etc.
#219 of 223 Re: Re sunroofs and interior space [electrictroy] by backy Apr 26, 2005 (3:08 pm)
Replying to: electrictroy (Apr 26, 2005 8:26 am) Flush mounted as in the glass roof raises up over the car body as it opens? Exposing the glass roof to all sorts of flying debris, stress from wind shear etc.? I prefer the kind that retracts into the car body, as on the Accord--it takes headroom but seems more reliable over the long term.