Honda Accord Hybrid - worth the extra $$$? - READ ONLY

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#202 of 223 Just reading....that's all....... by larsb Apr 13, 2005 (6:12 am)
"The climate control system utilizes aunique hybrid compressor that is both highly efficient and effective.." http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=103272 Prius does something similar but not in the same way.....Honda's technology is two years newer.... Replies to this message: tempusvn (Apr 13, 2005 9:30 am)
#203 of 223 Re: Just reading....that's all....... [larsb] by tempusvn Apr 13, 2005 (9:30 am)
Replying to: larsb (Apr 13, 2005 6:12 am) "The climate control system utilizes a unique hybrid compressor that is both highly efficient and effective.." That is a Marketing Blurb, not an Engineering Blurb, so they mean "Unique" in the Marketing sense. I'm sure it is uinque. It probably has a bolt hole in a different location. "Prius does something similar but not in the same way.....Honda's technology is two years newer...." I see nothing in what you've posted so far that supports either of those statements. As far as I know the ONLY Electronic Scroll Compressor for Hybrid Auto A/C systems is the DENSO unit that was jointly developed with Toyota. It was developed specifically for use in hybrids, and has a couple of unique features. It integrates the Electronic Inverter Unit into the Compressor Unit (This was apparently a cooling challenge), and uses very little Coolant relative to older systems. You can find a number of presentations floating around the web, but I'm not sure I can link to them from here. The linking rules here puzzle me. But, they are almost all done by Ken Matsunaga (Denso) or Kiwamu Inui (Toyota) , and involve analysis of the energy savings over regular belt driven compressors. Bottom line is the Electronic Compressors are about 40% more efficient than older ones. Honda is not nearly as rich as Toyota, and I seriously doubt they did anything like that in-house. If any other A/C company had anything comparable you can be sure they'd be presenting it and trumpeting it to high heaven, and that hasn't happened. Denso/Toyota won an EPA Climate Protection Award for the design. http://www.epa.gov/cppd/awards/winners_summaries4-20-04.doc I'd love to see info on the Honda Unit, but dollars to donuts it's the Denso Unit. It would be kind of funny if Honda was paying royalties to Toyota for the A/C.
#204 of 223 What's do difficult about making an electric A/C compressor? by electrictroy Apr 13, 2005 (10:48 am)
Everyone has them (points to house). I don't see why it's such a big deal. troy
#205 of 223 hybrid in the hot weather by mlo Apr 13, 2005 (5:00 pm)
So, do you think it would be worth it to buy a hybrid car for the 118 F Vegas weather? Or I would be better off with a regular Accord if I have to run my A/C most of the time? Replies to this message: electrictroy (Apr 14, 2005 11:18 am)
#206 of 223 HAH vs a soon to be diesel Accord by dewey Apr 14, 2005 (11:11 am)
Extra $$ for HAH. Forget it! Not based on the news on the site below! http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102192 When the Accord 2.2 l diesel(hopefully with a manaul tranny) becomes available in N. America(hope it will happen soon) and price slightly more than the Accord i4, I will be among the first on the waiting list.
#207 of 223 Re: hybrid in the hot weather [mlo] by electrictroy Apr 14, 2005 (11:18 am)
Replying to: mlo (Apr 13, 2005 5:00 pm) The Accord's A/C won't add drag to the engine, because it's running off the battery. So you shouldn't see any MPG impact. Insight & Civic... yes, the A/C would increase engine drag & decrease mpg. troy
#208 of 223 Re: COUNTER POINT CULLIGANMAN [railroadjames] [explorerx4] [railroadjames] by cohenfive Apr 19, 2005 (11:06 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 09, 2005 6:46 am) the hah doesn't have a moonroof? what's that all about--structural rigidity issues, weight? Replies to this message: nowakj66 (Apr 19, 2005 12:08 pm)
#209 of 223 Re: COUNTER POINT CULLIGANMAN [railroadjames] [explorerx4] [railroadjames] [cohenfive] by nowakj66 Apr 19, 2005 (12:08 pm)
Replying to: cohenfive (Apr 19, 2005 11:06 am) I would say weight and cost to Honda is what keeps the moon roof off the HAH. And to have something to add to the 2006 model besides refreshed tail lights.
#210 of 223 Review says "weight" by larsb Apr 19, 2005 (12:17 pm)
this reviews says it was the weight - Oh My Gosh those Sunroofs are SO HEAVY !! http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=16693 THIS review says elminating the sunroof adds 5% more interior space: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2004-09-23-accord-hybrid_x.htm Replies to this message: electrictroy (Apr 20, 2005 5:49 am) backy (Apr 21, 2005 3:52 am) blane (Apr 22, 2005 12:06 pm) and 2 more...