Honda Accord Hybrid - worth the extra $$$? - READ ONLY

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#158 of 223 HAH is for long legged people! by nowakj66 Mar 16, 2005 (10:16 am)
I am 6 foot 4 and the Accord fits me better than just about any sedan. Certainly any sedan in the price range. My height is my legs though - 36" inseam. In fact, the Accord, the Odyssey and the Ridgeline are the only Hondas that fit me comfortably. I wish the CR-V, Element and Pilot fit but my legs always end up tangling with the steering wheel. What saves the Accord for me is the tilt and telescoping wheel. I would think the HAH would better for long torsoed people too since it does not have the moon roof which reduces headroom. Replies to this message: gagrice (Mar 17, 2005 11:03 am) backy (Mar 17, 2005 11:17 am)
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#160 of 223 HAH nice car Not worth the Premium! by gagrice Mar 17, 2005 (9:56 am)
link courtesy of larsb Make no mistake, the Hybrid Accord leaps off the line, leaving the non-hybrid in its dust. Yet fuel economy compared to the Accord V-6 is officially an impressive 31 per cent better in the city and 21 per cent better on the highway. That's good, but not good enough to justify the price premium. The Accord Hybrid sells for $36,990, $3,390 more than a comparably equipped non-hybrid V-6 Accord EX. So even with gas averaging 84.9 cents/litre (according to M.J. Irvin & Associates) and destined to soar higher as crude oil goes past $53 (U.S.) a barrel, it could take as many as 10 years for the hybrid system to pay for itself at the pump. At least for the average driver. http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050317.gtwhaccord17/BNStory/Technolog- y/ Replies to this message: backy (Mar 17, 2005 11:16 am) midnightcowboy (Mar 17, 2005 11:20 am) newdaddyof2 (Mar 30, 2005 7:17 am) electrictroy (Mar 17, 2005 12:01 pm)
#161 of 223 Re: HAH is for long legged people! [nowakj66] by gagrice Mar 17, 2005 (11:03 am)
Replying to: nowakj66 (Mar 16, 2005 10:16 am) In fact, the Accord, the Odyssey and the Ridgeline are the only Hondas that fit me comfortably. That is interesting. When the salesman showed us the HAH I sat in the drivers seat and my hand laying flat on my head touched the headliner. I mentioned that the car did not have much headroom to the salesman and he nodded that it was true. I sat in another Accord EX and the same headroom. Then we went out and looked at the Odyssey EX-L and I could lay my hand sideways on my head and not touch the headliner. It was a good 5 inches more headroom. Here is what I question. Edmund's specs on the HAH & Odyssey have the Accord with 40.4 inches of headroom and the Odyssey with only 39.2 inches. Something ain't right. Replies to this message: backy (Mar 17, 2005 11:17 am)
#162 of 223 Re: HAH nice car Not worth the Premium! [gagrice] by backy Mar 17, 2005 (11:16 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Mar 17, 2005 9:56 am) The Accord Hybrid sells for $36,990,... Where? Other posters have noted the HAH is selling below MSRP. MSRP is $30,500 for non-nav. Why would anyone pay $6000 over MSRP? Replies to this message: midnightcowboy (Mar 17, 2005 11:20 am) newdaddyof2 (Mar 30, 2005 7:17 am)
#163 of 223 Re: HAH is for long legged people! [gagrice] by backy Mar 17, 2005 (11:17 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Mar 17, 2005 11:03 am) The HAH like other Accords has a height-adjustable seat. How high was the seat of the Accords you sat in?
#164 of 223 Re: HAH nice car Not worth the Premium! [backy] by midnightcowboy Mar 17, 2005 (11:20 am)
Replying to: backy (Mar 17, 2005 11:16 am) Backy, The article was a Canadian review. The $36,990 is the Candadian MSRP Look at the gas comsumption in L/km Happy St. Pat, MidCow
#165 of 223 Re: HAH nice car Not worth the Premium! [gagrice] by electrictroy Mar 17, 2005 (12:01 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Mar 17, 2005 9:56 am) Same Old Story. The car reviewers have been using this line since 2000. troy
#166 of 223 Carried over from another forum.... by larsb Mar 18, 2005 (10:18 am)
positives: 1) better mpg 2) slightly more power 3) higher resale at trade 4) lower emissions 5) saving money every time you fillup the tank 6) hybrid-only dashboard instruments allow you to more closely monitor your driving habits to achieve better efficiency 7) the emotional boost of knowing you are helping the environment 8) no emissions at all when stopped at a red light negatives: (see my comments after yours in the parentheses) 1) higher MSRP (getting more car for the money, will be returned at trade time) 2) less likely to be discounted or have low APR (not in the future when they become commonplace - that's the cost of being an "early adopter" of ANY new technology - look at the prices of LCD televisions today versus 18 months ago - when you buy early, you usually get no or low discounts - this is not AT ALL solely a Hybrid car phenomenon.) 3) less choice in what's on the lot (actually, they are pretty much limited in options and colors anyway - most come loaded with only the Navigation system optional. You can always ORDER EXACTLY the config you want.) 4) Higher weight - which using the same braking system is likely to increase stopping distances (and exactly how many times in your LIFE have you had to make a full braking high speed emergency stop? I have driven more than a million miles in my life and I have not ever had to do that. Don't buy a car based on stopping distances unless you are a madman who does emergency stops on a normal basis.) 5) mechanics unfamiliarity with the hybrids (most modern cars require dealers to fix them - this is not a hybrid phenomenon.) 6) a hybrid system adds extra parts - statistically have increased the probability of components to fail. (not a problem when the car is under warranty. do what I do and buy an extended warranty and be worry free for 100K miles) 7) smaller trunk. (not an issue if you dont need the extra space, or buy a roof carrier. In the 13 or 14 cars I have owned, I made do with the space I had. Again, if you are buying a car because of trunk space, it would seem like you need a wagon.) Replies to this message: kernick (Mar 19, 2005 6:00 am)
#167 of 223 Re: Carried over from another forum.... [larsb] by kernick Mar 19, 2005 (6:00 am)
Replying to: larsb (Mar 18, 2005 10:18 am) you: 7) the emotional boost of knowing you are helping the environment. me: you aren't "helping" the environment in any way when you buy a vehicle and run it. There are other cars and modes of transportation which are just as clean and efficient. And tell the environment to stop polluting the environment - that Mt. St. Helens and its relatives make a bit of air pollution, and all those lightning strikes which cause forest fires that burn millions of acres every year. You're worried about tiny little cars, and our impact on the environment, when you should be worried about the environment killing us off - Yellowstone supervolcano. I think hybrids will sell to the mainstream buyer when you can get any premium back in gas savings in 2-3 years of usage. Right now I'd say I'd pay $1500 extra for a hybrid over a non-hybrid. And I don't want it to be on a $30K car. A 1.8S Sentra auto sells for $11K around here. Sell a hybrid Sentra for $12.5K and I'd try it. Or a hybrid Focus, or Neon.