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#137 of 223 Re: It is a quandry [xcel] by backy Mar 09, 2005 (6:16 am)
Replying to: xcel (Mar 08, 2005 10:57 pm) But why compare a PZEV Accord and Prius in this discussion? Another way to look at it (closer to the topic) is, if you choose the Accord 4-cylinder with a stick shift, which many people prefer for highest fuel economy in an ICE Accord, you won't get any better emissions than on the far more powerful V6 HAH. Replies to this message: xcel (Mar 09, 2005 6:34 am) felton1 (Mar 09, 2005 8:19 am) backy (Mar 09, 2005 12:33 pm)
#138 of 223 Re: It is a quandry [backy] by xcel Mar 09, 2005 (6:34 am)
Replying to: backy (Mar 09, 2005 6:16 am) Hi Backy: But why compare a PZEV Accord and Prius in this discussion? Because Felton1 said he drove the AH, the V6 Accord, I4 Accord, and the Prius II. That sounds like a very well rounded comparison to me. He thought the AH and Prius II might have better emissions. The non-hybrid, PZEV based Accord has lower emissions then both hybrid’s and the non-hybrid V6. Is there a reason to bring up the stick given the AH is not available with one? The EPA’s highway estimate of the non-hybrid PZEV Accord and the I4 w/ a stick are equivalent. Good Luck Wayne R. Gerdes Replies to this message: felton1 (Mar 09, 2005 8:19 am) backy (Mar 09, 2005 12:33 pm)
#139 of 223 Re: COUNTER POINT CULLIGANMAN [railroadjames] [explorerx4] [railroadjames] [xcel] [railroadjames] by midnightcowboy Mar 09, 2005 (6:46 am)
Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 08, 2005 5:01 pm) Culliganman, You own a Prius correct. How can you say that the Price doesn't justify the purchase for a HAH, but for your Prius it was justified. People are willing to pay a premium for a V8 over a V6 over an I4 ( like the Prius) to obtain better performance and usually more features. With the performance, the Accord is one of the first real-world applications of hybrid technology. The HAH is the top-of-the-line Accord and has all of the luxury features except a moonroof. That includes: dual-zone automatic climate control, power drivers seat, leather, heated seats, XM satellite radio. Also, in many areas the HAH is being discounted $2,000 below MSRP which makes it even more justified. I guess the Prius message boards are getting a little slow, Eh ? YMMV, MidCow - Honda Accord Coupe 6-speed w/NAV P.S.- I probably would have got the HAH if it came in a manual shift transmission Replies to this message: gagrice (Mar 09, 2005 7:52 am) railroadjames (Mar 09, 2005 9:44 am) explorerx4 (Mar 09, 2005 5:31 pm) railroadjames (Mar 09, 2005 8:32 pm) and 1 more... cohenfive (Apr 19, 2005 11:06 am) nowakj66 (Apr 19, 2005 12:08 pm)
#140 of 223 Re: COUNTER POINT CULLIGANMAN [railroadjames] [explorerx4] [railroadjames] [xcel] [railroadjames] [midnightcowboy] by gagrice Mar 09, 2005 (7:52 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 09, 2005 6:46 am) P.S.- I probably would have got the HAH if it came in a manual shift transmission Why add complexity to a car that does what you want it to do. You are getting close to the same mileage that the average HAH is getting. I doubt they will offer a coupe or manual transmission. They are already have a problem selling the ones they have built. I don't believe America or Europe is interested in hybrids. When the newness wears off the Prius it will not sell well either. Plus you would probably not be able to add all the upgrades, wheels, exhaust, without messing up the delicate balance of the hybrid system.
#141 of 223 Re: It is a quandry [xcel] by felton1 Mar 09, 2005 (8:19 am)
Replying to: xcel (Mar 09, 2005 6:34 am) Thanks for the environmental links. I may be overthinking this whole thing, as I read that the average household's energy consumption is responsible for something on the order of 6 tons of CO2 annually, so probably all of these cars are extrememly responsible choices. I can't say that I am familiar with the PZEV Accord, so I'll do a bit more researching. Thanks again! I appreciate the information and the input. Felton
#142 of 223 YRS OF HONDAS (BOTH BIKES & CARS) by railroadjames Mar 09, 2005 (9:44 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 09, 2005 6:46 am) Honda is one of my all time favorite companies and I've enjoyed several(10) bikes and many cars(5). I even owned the very 1st Honda Coupe 600 back in 70. It was an aircooled 2 cylinder marvel. Capable of 50+ mpg's and surprisingly roomier than a VW Bug. Honda has since become much more expensive on the high end cars(Accords & Preludes). My 04 Prius, out the door, was $20, 885.00 w/ side airbags, Rr wiper and also mats. Prices for hybrids are higher now and I see their on the rise. As to the Accord Hybrid, I'm not crazy about the stying nor the harder seats I've found inherent in many Hondas. I too would be more inclined to enjoy the stick over the auto except in Chicago traffic snarls. When it comes down to dealerships and their service in our area then Toyota simply outshines Honda. There's something to be said for that. Would I buy an H.A.H.? Perhaps. As to the Prius board ...I needed a break from "gagrice". He's so persistant. Maybe he'll sell me his Suburban that gets 30mpg's some day. Be still my beat'g heart! Culliganman (my Prius suits me fine) Replies to this message: explorerx4 (Mar 09, 2005 5:31 pm) railroadjames (Mar 09, 2005 8:32 pm) stevedebi (Mar 10, 2005 12:40 pm)
#143 of 223 Re: It is a quandry [xcel] by backy Mar 09, 2005 (12:33 pm)
Replying to: xcel (Mar 09, 2005 6:34 am) Is there a reason to bring up the stick given the AH is not available with one? Yes, and I already stated one reason above. If you can compare a 4-cylinder car to a 6-cylinder car, I think a comparison of an automatic to a stick shift is fair game.
#144 of 223 premium for a hybrid by kurtamaxxguy Mar 09, 2005 (1:37 pm)
The HAH skews things a little because it provides both more power _and_ better fuel economy over a conventional HA 6 cyl. As for what I would be willing to pay premium wise; given I would be owning the car for 6 - 9 years, I would have to be convinced the savings in fuel will be greater than costs for the conventional model. This also has to include the cost of any additional maintanance due to the complexity of the hybrid. Keep in mind current hybrid battery packs have hundreds of small batteries in _series_ connection mode. So, if just one battery cel dies, the whole battery pack is compromised or useless. That's a $3-4000 expense somewhere down the road. Replies to this message: backy (Mar 09, 2005 3:46 pm) kurtamaxxguy (Mar 09, 2005 9:39 pm)
#145 of 223 Re: premium for a hybrid [kurtamaxxguy] by backy Mar 09, 2005 (3:46 pm)
Replying to: kurtamaxxguy (Mar 09, 2005 1:37 pm) In other words, you wish to get something--more power--for nothing. I agree that would be a great thing. I wish life would work that way more often. BTW, your statement about hybrid battery packs is not true in general. It MAY be true for the HAH, I don't know, but it is not true for the Prius. Its individual battery cells can be replaced. Replies to this message: kurtamaxxguy (Mar 09, 2005 9:39 pm)
#146 of 223 Re: YRS OF HONDAS (BOTH BIKES & CARS) [railroadjames] by explorerx4 Mar 09, 2005 (5:31 pm)
Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 09, 2005 9:44 am) loved those 12 inch rims on the 600, made me feel like i was pimpin' with the 26 inchers on my schwinn. one of the factors that makes a difference when deciding to buy a hah, prius, other, or non hybrid, is the number of miles you drive. if you don't drive much, it becomes more difficult to justify the cost of hybrids, if you think in terms of saving money. Replies to this message: railroadjames (Mar 09, 2005 8:32 pm) stevedebi (Mar 10, 2005 12:40 pm)