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Re: It is a quandry [xcel] by backy
Mar 08, 2005 (9:53 pm)

Replying to: xcel (Mar 08, 2005 8:01 pm)

http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/all-rank-05.htm
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Re: It is a quandry [backy] by xcel
Mar 08, 2005 (10:03 pm)

Replying to: backy (Mar 08, 2005 9:53 pm)

Hi Backy:
 
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm - Nationwide - EPA Score/Fed rating
 
Accord PZEV non-Hybrid: 9/Tier II-Bin2
Prius II: 8/Tier II-Bin3
AH: 6/Tier II-Bin5
 
      Good Luck
 
      Wayne R. Gerdes
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Re: It is a quandry [xcel] by backy
Mar 08, 2005 (10:33 pm)

Replying to: xcel (Mar 08, 2005 10:03 pm)

I ran a side-by-side comparison of the Accord 4-cylinder, the Prius, and the HAH. The Web site showed the Accord has 6 variants:
 
6/LEV II (automatic)
6/LEV II (manual)
6/Bin 5 (automatic)
6/Bin 5 (manual)
9/SULEV II (automatic)
9/Bin 2 (automatic)
 
The Prius has 2 variants:
 
8/Bin 3
9/SULEV II
 
The HAH also has two variants:
 
6/Bin 5
7/ULEV II
 
It looks to me that depending on the Accord 4-cylinder variant you happen to buy, it might be cleaner than a HAH or Prius, but it's also the case that the Prius or even the 6-cylinder HAH could be as clean or cleaner than the 4-cylinder Accord.
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Re: It is a quandry [backy] by xcel
Mar 08, 2005 (10:57 pm)

Replying to: backy (Mar 08, 2005 10:33 pm)

Hi Backy:
 
      There is only one variant of the PZEV Accord and Prius II. It depends on the fuel (LS or not) which gives the different EPA scores. The Fed emissions ratings are nationwide no matter the fuel’s sulfur content. The CAT of the PZEV Accord is more efficient then the CAT(s) in the Prius II. The AH isn’t even close.
 
      Good Luck
 
      Wayne R. Gerdes
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Re: It is a quandry [xcel] by backy
Mar 09, 2005 (6:16 am)

Replying to: xcel (Mar 08, 2005 10:57 pm)

But why compare a PZEV Accord and Prius in this discussion? Another way to look at it (closer to the topic) is, if you choose the Accord 4-cylinder with a stick shift, which many people prefer for highest fuel economy in an ICE Accord, you won't get any better emissions than on the far more powerful V6 HAH.
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Re: It is a quandry [backy] by xcel
Mar 09, 2005 (6:34 am)

Replying to: backy (Mar 09, 2005 6:16 am)

Hi Backy:
 
But why compare a PZEV Accord and Prius in this discussion?
 
      Because Felton1 said he drove the AH, the V6 Accord, I4 Accord, and the Prius II. That sounds like a very well rounded comparison to me. He thought the AH and Prius II might have better emissions. The non-hybrid, PZEV based Accord has lower emissions then both hybrid’s and the non-hybrid V6.
 
      Is there a reason to bring up the stick given the AH is not available with one? The EPA’s highway estimate of the non-hybrid PZEV Accord and the I4 w/ a stick are equivalent.
 
      Good Luck
 
      Wayne R. Gerdes
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Re: COUNTER POINT CULLIGANMAN [railroadjames] [explorerx4] [railroadjames] [xcel] [railroadjames] by midnightcowboy
Mar 09, 2005 (6:46 am)

Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 08, 2005 5:01 pm)

Culliganman,
 
You own a Prius correct. How can you say that the Price doesn't justify the purchase for a HAH, but for your Prius it was justified. People are willing to pay a premium for a V8 over a V6 over an I4 ( like the Prius) to obtain better performance and usually more features. With the performance, the Accord is one of the first real-world applications of hybrid technology. The HAH is the top-of-the-line Accord and has all of the luxury features except a moonroof. That includes: dual-zone automatic climate control, power drivers seat, leather, heated seats, XM satellite radio.
 
Also, in many areas the HAH is being discounted $2,000 below MSRP which makes it even more justified.
 
I guess the Prius message boards are getting a little slow, Eh ?
 
YMMV,
 
MidCow - Honda Accord Coupe 6-speed w/NAV
 
P.S.- I probably would have got the HAH if it came in a manual shift transmission
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Re: COUNTER POINT CULLIGANMAN [railroadjames] [explorerx4] [railroadjames] [xcel] [railroadjames] [midnightcowboy] by gagrice
Mar 09, 2005 (7:52 am)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 09, 2005 6:46 am)

P.S.- I probably would have got the HAH if it came in a manual shift transmission
 
Why add complexity to a car that does what you want it to do. You are getting close to the same mileage that the average HAH is getting. I doubt they will offer a coupe or manual transmission. They are already have a problem selling the ones they have built. I don't believe America or Europe is interested in hybrids. When the newness wears off the Prius it will not sell well either.
 
Plus you would probably not be able to add all the upgrades, wheels, exhaust, without messing up the delicate balance of the hybrid system.
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Re: It is a quandry [xcel] by felton1
Mar 09, 2005 (8:19 am)

Replying to: xcel (Mar 09, 2005 6:34 am)

Thanks for the environmental links. I may be overthinking this whole thing, as I read that the average household's energy consumption is responsible for something on the order of 6 tons of CO2 annually, so probably all of these cars are extrememly responsible choices.
 
I can't say that I am familiar with the PZEV Accord, so I'll do a bit more researching.
 
Thanks again! I appreciate the information and the input.
 
Felton
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YRS OF HONDAS (BOTH BIKES & CARS) by railroadjames
Mar 09, 2005 (9:44 am)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 09, 2005 6:46 am)

Honda is one of my all time favorite companies and I've enjoyed several(10) bikes and many cars(5). I even owned the very 1st Honda Coupe 600 back in 70. It was an aircooled 2 cylinder marvel. Capable of 50+ mpg's and surprisingly roomier than a VW Bug. Honda has since become much more expensive on the high end cars(Accords & Preludes). My 04 Prius, out the door, was $20, 885.00 w/ side airbags, Rr wiper and also mats. Prices for hybrids are higher now and I see their on the rise. As to the Accord Hybrid, I'm not crazy about the stying nor the harder seats I've found inherent in many Hondas. I too would be more inclined to enjoy the stick over the auto except in Chicago traffic snarls. When it comes down to dealerships and their service in our area then Toyota simply outshines Honda. There's something to be said for that. Would I buy an H.A.H.? Perhaps.
As to the Prius board ...I needed a break from "gagrice". He's so persistant. Maybe he'll sell me his Suburban that gets 30mpg's some day. Be still my beat'g heart!
Culliganman (my Prius suits me fine)

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