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Replying to: felton1 (Mar 08, 2005 12:05 pm) As far as emissions are concerned, the PZEV based non-hybrid Accord I4 is cleaner then the Prius II and much cleaner then AH. With that, the wife and I almost picked up an 05 TL for the 03 MDX tonight. Except the Acura dealership and I were about $1.5K apart … I have tried to get the wife to consider an Accord PZEV or the AH as the AH is now below invoice at a Honda dealership here in the Chicago area. She has driven both the I4 and the V6 Accord (not the AH) and wants something a bit nicer unfortunately. If only the TL was VCM’ed  Good Luck Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Mar 08, 2005 8:01 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Mar 08, 2005 9:53 pm) http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm - Nationwide - EPA Score/Fed rating Accord PZEV non-Hybrid: 9/Tier II-Bin2 Prius II: 8/Tier II-Bin3 AH: 6/Tier II-Bin5 Good Luck Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Mar 08, 2005 10:03 pm) 6/LEV II (automatic) 6/LEV II (manual) 6/Bin 5 (automatic) 6/Bin 5 (manual) 9/SULEV II (automatic) 9/Bin 2 (automatic) The Prius has 2 variants: 8/Bin 3 9/SULEV II The HAH also has two variants: 6/Bin 5 7/ULEV II It looks to me that depending on the Accord 4-cylinder variant you happen to buy, it might be cleaner than a HAH or Prius, but it's also the case that the Prius or even the 6-cylinder HAH could be as clean or cleaner than the 4-cylinder Accord.
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Replying to: backy (Mar 08, 2005 10:33 pm) There is only one variant of the PZEV Accord and Prius II. It depends on the fuel (LS or not) which gives the different EPA scores. The Fed emissions ratings are nationwide no matter the fuel’s sulfur content. The CAT of the PZEV Accord is more efficient then the CAT(s) in the Prius II. The AH isn’t even close. Good Luck Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Replying to: xcel (Mar 08, 2005 10:57 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Mar 09, 2005 6:16 am) But why compare a PZEV Accord and Prius in this discussion? Because Felton1 said he drove the AH, the V6 Accord, I4 Accord, and the Prius II. That sounds like a very well rounded comparison to me. He thought the AH and Prius II might have better emissions. The non-hybrid, PZEV based Accord has lower emissions then both hybrid’s and the non-hybrid V6. Is there a reason to bring up the stick given the AH is not available with one? The EPA’s highway estimate of the non-hybrid PZEV Accord and the I4 w/ a stick are equivalent. Good Luck Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 08, 2005 5:01 pm) You own a Prius correct. How can you say that the Price doesn't justify the purchase for a HAH, but for your Prius it was justified. People are willing to pay a premium for a V8 over a V6 over an I4 ( like the Prius) to obtain better performance and usually more features. With the performance, the Accord is one of the first real-world applications of hybrid technology. The HAH is the top-of-the-line Accord and has all of the luxury features except a moonroof. That includes: dual-zone automatic climate control, power drivers seat, leather, heated seats, XM satellite radio. Also, in many areas the HAH is being discounted $2,000 below MSRP which makes it even more justified. I guess the Prius message boards are getting a little slow, Eh ? YMMV, MidCow - Honda Accord Coupe 6-speed w/NAV P.S.- I probably would have got the HAH if it came in a manual shift transmission 
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 09, 2005 6:46 am) Why add complexity to a car that does what you want it to do. You are getting close to the same mileage that the average HAH is getting. I doubt they will offer a coupe or manual transmission. They are already have a problem selling the ones they have built. I don't believe America or Europe is interested in hybrids. When the newness wears off the Prius it will not sell well either. Plus you would probably not be able to add all the upgrades, wheels, exhaust, without messing up the delicate balance of the hybrid system. |
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Replying to: xcel (Mar 09, 2005 6:34 am) I can't say that I am familiar with the PZEV Accord, so I'll do a bit more researching. Thanks again! I appreciate the information and the input. Felton |
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