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Replying to: xcel (Mar 04, 2005 6:18 pm) The premium for the HAH over the V6 Accord EX with leather is now about $3000, as you stated. After deducting the Federal tax deduction, it's about $2500. For that premium, you get a quicker car, higher fuel economy, and lower emissions compared to the V6. IMO, you get more for your "premium" with the HAH than you get with the V6. And lots of people buy the V6 vs. the I4 Accord.
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 04, 2005 11:01 pm) Culliganman( a better day ahead))
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Replying to: backy (Mar 05, 2005 10:06 am) The premium for a V6 Accord EX with leather is about $2250 compared to a I4 Accord EX automatic with leather. For that premium, you get a quicker car, lower fuel economy, and higher emissions. Grand Honda 05 Accord EX-L 4-door I4 w/ Auto: $21,975 05 Accord 4-door EX V6 w/ Auto: $23,921 Here in the Chicago area, the premium is even less. The rest of what you stated above is obvious unless you were to purchase the LEV-II versions of both trims. IMO, you get more for your "premium" with the HAH than you get with the V6. And lots of people buy the V6 vs. the I4 Accord. Far more Accord’s are sold with I4’s then V6’s let alone how much cleaner a PZEV equipped I4 is by comparison. In terms of the premium, do we really have to reiterate what is lost with the AH for that premium? Good Luck Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 05, 2005 10:41 am) gary can be somewhat abrasive in his presentation, but for the most part, i agree with his perspective. hybrids are new technology, and people are trying to figure out if it works. that can mean a different things to different people. at this point, there probably isn't an economic benefit over buying a non hybrid. the fuel efficiency/emissions benefit isn't a slam dunk either. it seems to work for some people, but not for others. i follow these boards because i wonder why that is. if you are buying one because it is the latest and greatest or it has a bit more performance, then i have no question of that.
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Replying to: xcel (Mar 05, 2005 4:05 pm) You can if you want to, but that ground has been covered many times before, so it is as you say, obvious. As is the fact that more I4 Accords are sold than V6s. As is the cleanliness of a PZEV I4 Accord vs. a V6. But that's not what I was talking about. If you want to spiral off into that tangent again, be my guest.
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Replying to: backy (Mar 05, 2005 7:58 pm) As is the fact that more I4 Accords are sold than V6s. As is the cleanliness of a PZEV I4 Accord vs. a V6. But that's not what I was talking about. Then what are you talking about? Stating the obvious is one thing, stating the obvious incorrectly is an entirely different matter. You definitely do not follow Accord pricing close enough and apparently do not follow the Accord’s emission specs. The emissions of the V6 and I4 vary depending on where and what transmission you purchase. You do know the EPA has the AH’s emissions listed finally, right? Please head off on whatever tangent you want as you are pretty good at it. Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Mar 05, 2005 6:11 pm) ME--Honda and Toyota have been developing and producing hybrids for the better part of 10 yrs. YOU--"the fuel efficiency/emissions benefit isn't a slam dunk either." ME--upper 40's mpg's and one of the lowest emission stats on the market. Oh! 8yrs/100Kwarr YOU-- "there probably isn't an economic benefit over buying a non hybrid." ME-- When buying my hybrid (prius) the difference was only $649.00 higher than the Nissan Altima that was similarly equipped. Now about the Honda Accord Hybrid...I like it in most ways but as a hybrid I'm disappointed that it fails to achieve anywhere near the MPG's of other hybrids. That to me is unacceptable. I've been spending some time on sites about our oil situation. Its not good. Price of a barrel is  about 54 bucks and the WORD is it's going up because the world demand and consumption is escalating. USA & CHINA are effecting much of the problem. I'm convinced that the worst is around the corner. How far the corner is from today is suspect but it is coming. I don't even want to say ..."I TOLD YOU SO". I'd rather be saying "TEST DRIVE A HYBRID AND SEE." (mine especially) Too many critics have panned the hybrids without ever driving them. Seems ludicrus to me. Culliganman(light the end of the tunnel is a hybrid) GAS 2.10 PER GALLON PS__ nonhybrid 14 mpg's using 100 gal's of gas per month....annual cost of fuel...$2,520.00 for 16,800 annual miles Prius Hyb. 47 mpg's using 25gal's of gas per month...annual cost of fuel... $618.00 for 14,100 annual miles. SEE THE LIGHT!
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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 05, 2005 8:50 pm) Nope, annual cost of fuel... $452 for 3400 miles in my Suburban.. Lots of room and utility. Forded several streams getting home from Las Vegas. Would have been stranded in a Prius, HAH or even an RX400h. They are still in the dark ages... PS When I bought my Suburban in 1998 it was the decadent 90s and gas was a buck a gallon. Only 50 cents when adjusted for inflation... http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html |
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Replying to: xcel (Mar 05, 2005 8:26 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Mar 05, 2005 9:52 pm) I don't need to head off on any tangents--you've included more than enough in that one post. I'm willing to make a point and move on, unlike some people. Instead of your tangent, simply discussing the AH or something hybrid related would suffice. Wayne R. Gerdes
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