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Replying to: daniel99 (Sep 11, 2006 3:33 pm)
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Sep 11, 2006 6:09 pm) Also, this seems to be the first review where the test conditions were not controlled by Mazda. I would have thought Japanese reviews would have been readily available by now and translated. I would like some confirmation, one way or the other, from the big US mags as well.
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Sep 11, 2006 6:09 pm) Where did you see the Opel reference?
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Replying to: autonomous (Sep 12, 2006 8:07 am) |
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Replying to: daniel99 (Sep 12, 2006 4:29 am) True enough. My point is that the intrusiveness of the power management is very subjective. And yet this appears to be the sole basis on which they dismiss the MPS3. They couldn't deny the objective performance characteristics, yet they say they couldn't wait to be done with it. To me, this smacks of bias. Almost as if somebody at Mazda's marketing dissed them and this was payback. Of course, I have no idea if they were truly biased or not. But it's a lot like the Motor Trend (?) review of the MS6 where the numbers show the MS6 to be 1 or 2 in the comparo and then they dismiss and put it in 4th/5th because they didn't like the interior. Very subjective and to taken with a grain of salt.
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Sep 12, 2006 10:04 am) Ahhh, I remember that article, and the fiery debate in the MS6 thread. M/T also said the TSX and Accord V6 sedan handled better then the MS6, and the Jetta GLI came in first?. I'm wondering if they even drove the MS6! |
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Sep 11, 2006 6:09 pm) The article did not seem biased to me. Unlike some other authors it sounded like this reviewer actually drove the cars and did not just quote back manufacturers marketing messages. In comparing "hot" "red-blooded hatches" Bill McKinnon may have become more passionate (rather than dispassionate) and emphasized certain aspects to illustrate the differences between otherwise excellent vehicles. Several people here have been wondering what would happen if an extra 100 horses gets plunked into the Mazda3. Would there be torque steer? Would AWD be necessary? Would the fuel economy of the regular hatch be blown sky high? Would the price be astronomic? A review like this shows that Mazda and the other manufacturers listed were successful to varying degrees addressing these issues. Personally, I still think the Mazdaspeed3 is impressive but now I have something to check out in the test drive. Bring on the reviews! Bring on the test drives!
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Replying to: autonomous (Sep 12, 2006 1:23 pm) Sure, a personal test drive is always best, but I may be about to make the leap and try to secure a deal without a test drive. Here's why. There have been at least two US 1st drive articles that were clearly not just marketing echo: SCC and MT. They both drove the car at Laguna Seca where any kind of serious torque steer or other power management problems would have shown up and been noted. Instead, nothing but kudos for the system. And the Oz article didn't just emphasize differences, they actually dissed the MSP3 and said they were glad to park it. That is subjective and personal.To show how important the personal preference/bias of those reviewers was, a second article in the same Oz publication gave the MSP3 the nod in a comparo with the much more expensive and refined R32. Again, one would think that any serious complaints about the MPS3 power management system would have been mentioned, especially in comparison to a smooth and powerful AWD V-6. Which Oz article was more credible, the first or the second?
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Sep 12, 2006 5:25 pm)
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Sep 13, 2006 3:21 am) http://cars.ign.com/articles/730/730560p1.html |
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