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Re: No official release date? [seanwms6] by audia8q
Aug 25, 2006 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Aug 24, 2006 10:30 am)

Audia8Q, can you answer my question about whether there is really any chance in Hades that a dealer would be more likely to agree to sell a "special order" MS3 on S-Plan vs. than one of their allotted cars?
 
Anything is possible...but based on the initial interest in the speed3 the chances appear slim. OTOH, if the cars don't sell and they start to pile up then you would have a good chance of getting the s-plan....but that is a big gamble if you really want the car. All MS3 are special orders and tightly allocated so that angle doesnt matter. Dealers earn every car they get, there are no extra's.
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Re: No official release date? [audia8q] by seanwms6
Aug 25, 2006 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: audia8q (Aug 25, 2006 6:28 am)

Yeah, thanks. And thanks for the info that all are special order. I think that fact that MS6s didn't start jumping off the lot as soon as they arrived helped me last year. The MS3 ought to move at MSRP initially for sure. I think I'll forget about S-Plan and just see what the best deal is. I guess I'll start pinging dealers again in December for delivery in Spring.
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The future looks bright but ... by autonomous
Aug 25, 2006 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: audia8q (Aug 25, 2006 6:28 am)

if the cars don't sell and they start to pile up
 
It would surprise me if the Mazdaspeed3 did not sell better than the Mazdaspeed6. The slant to a younger audience, the lower cost and the lack of reasonably-priced alternatives in the marketplace bode well for the Mazdaspeed3.
 
However, if the handling is not what was advertised, or if supply and ordering is problematic, or if fuel costs rise dramatically, its success could be compromised.
 
Curiously, if the Mazdaspeed3 becomes a huge success it may not be a sure win for Mazda. For example, would drivers move from the RX8 and the Miata to the Mazdaspeed3 as it acquires the mantle of the fastest vehicle in the lineup?
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Re: The future looks bright but ... [autonomous] by seanwms6
Aug 25, 2006 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: autonomous (Aug 25, 2006 1:44 pm)

"...would drivers move from the RX8 and the Miata to the Mazdaspeed3 as it acquires the mantle of the fastest vehicle in the lineup?"
 
I think you might pick up the odd RX8 driver, but most of the RX8 and definitely the Miata buyers bought RWD for a reason. I don't think they will chuck it for the temporary distinction of owning the FWD roll-on top dog, no matter how well Mazda can make it handle for an FWD.
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Re: The future looks bright but ... [autonomous] by audia8q
Aug 26, 2006 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: autonomous (Aug 25, 2006 1:44 pm)

I really expect this car to sell very well...but I wanted to give the guy who asked the question come glimmer of hope concerning his s-plan pricing...LOL
 
The pre-sells and interest in this speed car is similar to the speed protege which was a huge hit for our dealership...
 
I just read one of those tuner compact car mags that did a review on the speed 3 and they loved it...so I'm glad to see some positive press.
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Hitting it right ... [audia8q] by autonomous
Aug 28, 2006 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: audia8q (Aug 26, 2006 5:52 am)

The pre-sells and interest in this speed car is similar to the speed protege which was a huge hit for our dealership...
 
But wasn't the Mazdaprotege a short-lived (i.e. 2 year) phenomenon? Going turbo is a bit of a risky if exciting strategy. It'll be interesting to see how the marketplace adjusts to the crazy gas prices and the contradictory strategies of auto-manufacturers. Unlike Mazda, Honda/Toyota/Lexus (HoTLe) see hybrids as their answer for not only the eco-folks but also the performance crowd. Isn't F1 also moving towards hybrids? Moreover, by hybridizing their fleet won't HoTLe effectively lower the cost of development and capture a larger segment of the market?
 
In any case all the best to you, Rich, and your dealership!
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Re: The future looks bright but ... [audia8q] by seanwms6
Aug 28, 2006 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: audia8q (Aug 26, 2006 5:52 am)

"I really expect this car to sell very well...but I wanted to give the guy who asked the question come glimmer of hope concerning his s-plan pricing...LOL."
 
The glimmer is shining a little brighter today if I can turn agreement on the phone into reality. There that and also the little matter of a trade on MS6. Next stop Carmax for an appraisal.
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Re: Hitting it right ... [autonomous] by audia8q
Aug 28, 2006 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: autonomous (Aug 28, 2006 9:10 am)

But wasn't the Mazdaprotege a short-lived (i.e. 2 year) phenomenon?
 
All the MazdaSpeed cars are short lived...
 
Going turbo is a bit of a risky if exciting strategy. It'll be interesting to see how the marketplace adjusts to the crazy gas prices and the contradictory strategies of auto-manufacturers
 
It seems alot of mfg are heading that way. Even Honda/Acura is getting into the 4 cyl turbo game with the new RDX. The speed cars are a specialty type cars....the driving force to buy isnt MPG.
 
The jury is still out on hybrids...I suspect its a temp technology that will be replaced by some newer technology that lives up to expectations a little better.
Oddly enough it appears that the Prius is the only hybrid that is getting any major play. Honda has cut production of their hybrids and Ford has tremendous incentives on their hybrids....I guess unless you have a strong eco interest folks arent ready to overpay to get a few extra miles per gallon.
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Re: Hitting it right ... [audia8q] by rorr
Aug 28, 2006 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: audia8q (Aug 28, 2006 12:21 pm)

"I guess unless you have a strong eco interest folks arent ready to overpay to get a few extra miles per gallon."
 
Off-topic but I can't resist....
 
I don't think it's just a matter of having a strong eco interest. Hybrid owners (and particularly Prius owners) also want EVERYONE ELSE TO KNOW that they have a stong eco interest. Hence, the Prius is more popular because it isn't simply a different engine option in an otherwise 'normal' ICE vehicle, but is instead a vehicle that is offered as a hybrid ONLY. When you glance at it, you KNOW it's a hybrid.
 
It sells the best because their owner's receive RECOGNITION for saving the planet. Afterall, what good is being eco-friendly if you have to do it incognito?
 
Sometimes I think that Prius owners have replaced smog with smug.....and I say this as an individual who has a parent with a Prius...
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Re: Hitting it right ... [audia8q] by aviboy97
Aug 28, 2006 (3:05 pm)
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Replying to: audia8q (Aug 28, 2006 12:21 pm)

The jury is still out on hybrids...I suspect its a temp technology that will be replaced by some newer technology that lives up to expectations a little better.
 
I could not agree more.
 
 A while back I did a comparo on the Mazda3 i automatic Vs. Honda Civic Hybrid. My results were you would drive 60K+ miles worth of gas before ever reaching the INITIAL cost of the Civic Hybrid at the day's current gas prices ($2.50/gal)
 
Sorry for continuing off topic...

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