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Re: In case you missed it... [seanwms6] by rorr
Jul 18, 2006 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Jul 18, 2006 7:42 am)

Sean - I've been following (a bit) the whole fuel octane issue over on one of the other boards. I noted that you had tried to get a feel for the supposed hit in power you get in your Speed6 from going from 93 octane to either 91 or 89 (I forget which).
 
Were you ever able to get a good feel for if there is any appreciable difference between 93 and a lower octane fuel?
 
Also (revisiting the whole hp issue and the reviews of the AU market Speed3), I've determined that the AU Speed3 requires 95 RON octane fuel (roughly equal to 90 octane in our rating system).
 
Perhaps this is one reason why the AU Speed6 (and Speed3) are rated at 'only' 190kW in AU? With a lower octane requirement (roughly 90), they may be rated at 'only' 254hp? Yet with 93 octane fuel, the M6 could be rated (in the U.S.) at 274hp.
 
Now, I'm beginning to think that the only real differences between the various markets and the Speed3/Speed6 is the fuel used for the hp rating (and any market specific fuel calibrations that would go with that rating).
 
IF that is the case (and it's a big "IF"), I'm wondering just how close the Speed3 will be rated to 274hp if run with 93 octane fuel?
 
dammit, I sure wish Mazda would release more info.....this is driving me nuts.....
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Re: In case you missed it... [rorr] by seanwms6
Jul 18, 2006 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: rorr (Jul 18, 2006 9:51 am)

Rorr, I don't think it is fair to make a final judgment until I reset the ECU and let it get used to the 91. I'll do that soon. My impression is that the 93 just sharpens performance but I can't sense a big difference.
 
I think you are right about the differences in markets. Crossbow (1st to post US hp 267/260 corrected) speculated there will actually be next to no difference in hp b/t the US MS6/3 and that they just want to differentiate the MS6 on paper. We know how upset some MS6 drivers get when you even suggest that the MS3 will be equivalent of better in any way.
 
Since reading Edmunds 1st Drive where the head Mazda engineer is quoted as saying one reason the MS3 didn't get AWD was they wanted to differentiate the MS6, I am now convinced the stated hp differences are just to create a perceived spread between the two cars.
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Re: In case you missed it... [seanwms6] by rorr
Jul 19, 2006 (5:10 am)
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Jul 18, 2006 6:15 pm)

You could very well be right.
 
I'm also wondering that if Mazda intends to differentiate the MS3 from the 6 by having a paper hp difference, might the fuel requirement for the MS3 be 91 octane (similar to the AU market MS3) instead of 93?
 
Not that it makes a huge difference to me. I've put nothing but 93 octane into my Celica GTS for the last 6 years; I would have no problem doing the same for a MS3.
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Re: In case you missed it... [rorr] by seanwms6
Jul 20, 2006 (3:46 am)
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Replying to: rorr (Jul 19, 2006 5:10 am)

Yeah, it would be a good opportunity for them to avoid all the hurt feelings in CA/elsewhere. And 260 SAE is still plenty of power for FWD. Not that some of us won't opt for more via aftermarket intake/exhaust once we have a feel for the stock setup.
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Purported MS3 Prices, Too Good to Be True? by seanwms6
Jul 24, 2006 (4:41 pm)
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Jul 20, 2006 3:46 am)

From another forum:
 
Mazdaspeed3 pricing effective July 24th sent to dealers:
 
Sport: $22,240
Grand Touring: $23,955
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Re: Purported MS3 Prices, Too Good to Be True? [seanwms6] by helmutroth
Jul 24, 2006 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Jul 24, 2006 4:41 pm)

Can you provide a link to the other forum?
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Re: Purported MS3 Prices, Too Good to Be True? [helmutroth] by seanwms6
Jul 24, 2006 (8:40 pm)
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Replying to: helmutroth (Jul 24, 2006 4:43 pm)

It's against the rules of the road <<<<. Just do a search of mazda3 forums and you'll find it in the Mazdaspeed section. FWIW, it was posted by some guy who just joined today with the name "mix12". It could just be a prank.
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Re: Purported MS3 Prices, Too Good to Be True? [seanwms6] by rorr
Jul 25, 2006 (5:17 am)
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Jul 24, 2006 4:41 pm)

I'm going out on a limb and say that those prices are probably true (just my opinion) but don't reflect the additional delivery/destination charge.
 
What's truely amazing is that those prices are cheaper than what I paid 6 years ago for my Celica GTS....
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Re: Purported MS3 Prices, Too Good to Be True? [seanwms6] by aviboy97
Jul 25, 2006 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: seanwms6 (Jul 24, 2006 4:41 pm)

that is correct, but, don't forget to add destination of $560
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Re: Purported MS3 Prices, Too Good to Be True? [aviboy97] by seanwms6
Jul 25, 2006 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jul 25, 2006 5:32 am)

Aviboy, are you confirming these are the base MSRPs sent to dealers or just that they seem about right?

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