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Infiniti Q45, Sedan
Jan 29, 2005 (6:12 am)
The M45 is the car thats about to be replaced. Once it actually hits dealerships in another 2 months, except sales to increase 10 fold at least. The I35 is dead for 2005, so there's really no mess anymore. For what its worth, I've actually seen two Q45s not in an Infiniti dealership. The poor Q must solder on for another 2-3 years, and then something will happen. It will either just die like the I35, or they will replace it, but with what I have no clue.
#22 of 61 Re: jchan2 [lexusguy]
Jan 29, 2005 (2:05 pm)
The M45 is the car thats about to be replaced. Once it actually hits dealerships in another 2 months, except sales to increase 10 fold at least
10-fold sales increase ! I guess when you are selling ~100 units per month, that is not that far an expectation ? BUT, are we not really infering too much about this car ? No one can predict the extent of its success - 10-fold, 1 kadzillion-fold, etc... Why not let us wait and see how the market reacts when it gets here. I don't see that many people with $45K+ to spend aiming for an Infiniti M, when there is a Bimmer (530), Audi (A6 4.2), Lexus (GS430), Acura (RL), and MB (E350) out there. Only time will tell if the M is a sector defining car, otherwise, I suspect it may not make that much dent in its sector afterall. I guess we'll see, won't we ?
Jan 30, 2005 (5:47 am)
Something tells me you just don't like the Infiniti M cars my friend...because that very same thing, what people are and aren't willing to pay for a 45K M, can be said about a 50K Acura and of course the Lexus GS, which has never been a sales hit either. IMO, the RL looks more vunerable than any of the Japanese cars simply because it appears you can get an M35 for less and a lightly optioned M45 for about the same price, both of which easily outperform the Acura. Honda is still dreaming about V6s competing with V8s. The RL, imo would have been a raging bargain for 43-45K. Acura is forgetting their low-priced-alternative to Lexus/Infiniti heritage with the RL, which is just as expensive.
#24 of 61 Re: Oac [merc1]
Jan 30, 2005 (4:32 pm)
Let's just say I am a skeptic.
Time was when I was a SOLID Nissan fan. I owned two of them at the same time - a '96 Alt and a '96 Max. Sold the Alt after 5 yrs (and 60K trouble-free miles), and the Max after 6-years (and 120K miles) of ownership. Almost purchased a '93 J30, before I wised-up. The early Infiniti-badged Nissans were pitiful cars and I was very disappointed. Then came the M a couple years back, and it was a HUGE flop. The Q never found its footing, no thanks to poor vision and judgement at Nissan/Infiniti. I like the G (and the coupe) but hate the FX - too lumpy for my taste, and the wheels are much too large on such a wimpy frame. The Q56-badged Armada is ugly and plagued with issues, the G20/I35/QX4 were just too barren attempts that were laughable.
So you should understand if after being a loyal fan for 6 years and seeing how disappointing they were, I joined the "show-me" crowd, so to speak. So I am waiting to see how truly the Infiniti turnaround is before I join the bandwagon. Even then without a true high-end lux car, it may be difficult for me to take them seriously....YMMV
Jan 30, 2005 (9:15 pm)
It seems like Infiniti's "we're serious" turn around is going just fine. G35 sales are doing well, and it seems like thats going to remain true for 2005 and most likely throughout the remainder of the car's probably 2-3 more years with us. Every Lexus attempt at a car like the G has nose-dived after a mere 2 years or so. Both Infiniti and Acura hit the bulls-eye with the G35 and TL, and it seems like Infiniti should repeat that with the M.
The RL, I dont think so. As Merc said, they got a little greedy and thought that the RL would be the value priced alternative to competitors V8s. I dont think so bub. Not when M35 and (eventually) GS350 are your competition. As for the future of the GS, I dont know. If I were Lexus, I probably would've introduced GS350 as the sole option, and when the 4.6L V8 arrives for 2007, then start offering a V8 GS. Making the GS300 suffer with the segments weakest engine just to protect at best a few hundred GS430 sales a month makes no sense to me. Nobody buys the V8.
#26 of 61 Lexusguy
Jan 30, 2005 (9:32 pm)
I know this is not the forum for it, BUT I really do like the new TL's styling better than the new RL. Where the TL is muscular, the RL looks effeminate. Howdid these two cars diverge so much ?
As for the G, its total sales FY2004 is a tad over 42K units. That ain't much to hang a hat on. Now, if its doing like 80K+ units annual, that would be something won't it ?
Lexus is not doing the right thing, imo, wrt the 06 GS. The design is OK, but the engine choices leave me perplexed, as I've expressed many times in my posts. If the GS comes with the 3L/4.3L combo, I think they are at a clear disadvantage against the M35/45. And Lexus may have to go back to the drawing board and get it done RIGHT.
As for the Q, any word on the redo I keep hearing about ? What direction will Infiniti take the car ? Hopefully, not a big brother clone of the G/M designs !!!
Jan 30, 2005 (10:41 pm)
"I really do like the new TL's styling better than the new RL. Where the TL is muscular, the RL looks effeminate."
I agree totally with you on that one. The TL is a great looking car, probably the first Acura I can remember since the original NSX that is an attention grabber. I was excited to see the direction Acura would take the RL after doing a good job on the TSX, and a great job on the TL, and was very disappointed to see them fail so miserably. I predict good initial sales for RL, followed by a steady decline that will have dealers heavily discounting to what the RL is ultimately really worth, the low to mid 40s.
#28 of 61 Re: Oac [oac]
Jan 31, 2005 (1:24 am)
Yikes, we're totaly in sync here..lol!!! I feel the same way, but about Acura not Nissan/Infiniti. Loved the orignal Legend and the 1991-1995 model was end of an era. I still should have bought the 1995 Legend GS as a used car a few years ago. Duh! It took me years to get over them dropping the "Legend" name. That was about stupidest thing to do. They car was on its way to becoming just that, a Legend. Looking back now though its good they didn't ruin the Legend name by stamping it on the pitiful 1996-2004 RL.
I get what you're saying about Infiniti perfectly. I think they'll convert you before the decade ends.
Jan 31, 2005 (2:48 am)
Yeah Acura's name thing doesnt seem to make much sense. They had BIG brand names, Legend and Integra, and they dumped them for meaningless letter combinations. I understand why marquees such as Mercedes and BMW do it, to get you to say I drive a "Brand name.. model number". Except the Acura name doesnt mean much to anybody, so theres no real point to it.
#30 of 61 Re: jchan2 [lexusguy]
Mar 01, 2005 (2:03 pm)
I took advantage of the I35's "mess" and bought one about a week ago for $25,800. So I guess there are some good things about the mistakes Infiniti has made. I got a pretty good car at a great price.