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Replying to: mikegiller (Oct 26, 2005 12:39 pm) where ya gonna drive it? To a gas station? The vette will always be the best bang for the buck, face it- Toyota is not gonna make a car that smokes every lexus on the street..Its gonna be a Lexus or nothing...And 75,000 to 90,000 easy...Good luck!
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Replying to: getreal (Nov 12, 2005 3:02 pm) Ok, now where did I say that Toyota will make a super car under the Toyota name? Exactly what I thought, getreal. What are you saying 'Good luck' to? 
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credit to road & track Magazine and scionlife... Japan's First True Exotic Although the show car pictured on our cover isn't a runner, there is a version that actually runs and goes really fast. According to reports in Japanese car magazines, the GT 450 (LF-A) lapped the recently redesigned Fuji International Speedway like a true super exotic. Visually, the test car that ran that day was slightly different from the show car you see on our cover. It had a metal roof rather than a glass one, BBS forged-alloy wheels and small cameras mounted in the side mirrors. This undoubtedly means the Lexus coupe is not yet in its final state; there are a few more changes to come, most likely to the front and rear ends. Mechanically, we know the future Lexus 2-seater will be powered by a 500-bhp V-10. Whether the displacement will be 4.5 liters or 5.0 liters remains to be seen (the engine displacement will likely decide if Lexus will call the car GT 450 or GT 500). A display-only model of the engine revealed that the cylinder banks are angled at 72 degrees. It's also the first dry-sump engine in Toyota's history. Redline is said to be above 9000 rpm, so we're talking about an engine that puts out power like a Formula 1 car. It'll come mated to a transaxle with at least six speeds. One of our stealthy ninjas actually heard the thing revving, and said the engine and exhaust sounded eerily similar to an F1 engine. "There was no sense of friction when the thing was revving up or down." In fact, a Toyota board member was overheard saying that the car's official launch will coincide with the company's first win in F1; therefore, the final production model must be ready to be revealed when that historic event occurs. Within Toyota, that date is expected around the summer of 2007. Does Toyota have something up its sleeve at that time in F1? Or does the company want to steal some thunder from Nissan's GT-R launch? Also, we've seen spy shots of a convertible version of the LF-A running at a remote test track, so expect an open-air GT 450 to make an appearance soon after the coupe. Price of the Toyota super GT is expected to fall somewhere between $100,000 and $150,000. |
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Ok, a 500HP V10 supercar, theoretically, with the performance of a Ferrari, and the luxury and quality of a Lexus. Well, let's look at the competition: Ford GT: 0-60 in the low 3's, sports car heritage to spare, but zero luxury or comfort, both in the sales experience, or service. Price: $139k (Listed, sells for much more) Ferrari GT430: Beautiful, exotic, appeals to the visceral and the enthusiast driver, tastefully luxurious interior, high performance, but goes for symmetry, not world-conquering performance. Great heritage. Price: $170k (if you can negotiate like Trump!) Lambourgini Gallardo (SE): More heritage, exotic, original design, AWD, V10 performance. May out perform all other exotics. The driving experience may've been lost in the pursuit of perfection, doh. Price: $170-210k Mercedes SL65: Fast, powerful, luxurious, but compromised by it's half-priced stablemate, the SL500. Not an exotic. But a very fast SL. Price: $135k None of us really knows what the LF-A is, or will be, but if Toyota wants to sell 2-3000 of them at $170K, they probably can. But it's no surefire hit at that price. If I were Lexus, I'd stay just under the SL65, and erode it's appeal, instead of picking fights in the exotics rarified air. This doesn't say anything good about the LS600h pricing! We'll be lucky to stay under $100k with that one now. A $80k gap between cars would be most unseemly. Remember the NSX wasn't exactly a smash hit, despite it's sub $80k price, and performance and technical superiority.  I'm surprised Lexus would choose to potentially overprice a new arrival, instead of growing slow and steady, and coming out on top at the end, as they have been doing elsewhere. DrFill
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Replying to: drfill (Mar 06, 2006 7:27 pm) Unless they do a roadster version they aren't going to touch the SL. They'll be competing with cars like the Aston Martin V8, Jaguar XKR Coupe and others, not so much the SL or those exotics you listed. Then again in this type of market people shop all these cars against each other. If this Lexus has 500hp it will be shopped against the SL55 (510hp) and everything else in the GT/Sports car class. They need a roadster version to really compete in this segment though. If they do that I can't see why anyone would want the SC430. M |
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The SC just needs a little sharpening, a little edge, that's all. It put the XLR out of "bydnis", so they found the right path. A 350HP 2008 redo, with a "sport" version, and a sub $70k price tag will sell another 10k a year, no problem. Do I have to think of everything?  DrFill
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Replying to: drfill (Mar 06, 2006 8:31 pm) M
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Replying to: merc1 (Mar 06, 2006 8:54 pm) We will see soon! 
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Replying to: mikegiller (Mar 07, 2006 8:31 am) Anyway, I see Edmunds has is reporting that this car will cost about 170K when it arrives here. For 170K it better have more than 500hp (or be real lightweight) if it is compete with Ferraris and Porsches of the same ilk. I agree though if they're shooting for Ferrari and Porsche the luxury biased SL isn't the target. I really wonder if they're going to keep in line with F1 and do a V8 instead of a V10. Either way I can't wait to see what Toyota can do when let their hair down for a change. M
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I am NOT in love with the styling, as it stands. It's not ugly, but doesn't make my heart flutter, to the tune of "six bills". The only pictures I've seen of the interior harken back to the NSX-meets-Lexus SC. DrFill |
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