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#1445 of 1463 Re: 3.5 [oldcem] by vanman1 May 04, 2008 (5:53 pm)
Replying to: oldcem (Apr 27, 2008 7:20 pm) Perhaps, but 3 combos increase costs and GM needs to cut them desperately. I think most people are looking for a 4 these days anyway, even if the mileage numbers are mostly optics vs. the 3.5.
#1446 of 1463 Re: 3.5 [oldcem] by phaetondriver May 05, 2008 (7:17 am)
Replying to: oldcem (Apr 27, 2008 7:20 pm) If you ask me, and nobody did, I have to agree with terminating the 3.5. GM could easily retune the 3.6 so it produced LESS H-P, duplicating the 3.5's H-P and torque. This would probably give slightly better MPG than the 3.5 does now and would keep production costs down. Still gives the buyers what they want and eliminates one whole engine/trans choice. Of course this will probably be the cause of 10,000 lost jobs shutting down an entire engine factory, but who cares about a few jobs as long as the stock holders are happy. Oops, bad tangent, sorry.   so you could have a choice of 2.4L-140 H-P, 3.6-180 H-P and 3.6-250 H-P and 3.6-305 H-P (direct injected from Cady CTS ) Maybe add a 1.8 L-100 H-P with Electric Hybrid (hire back those 10,000 workers) but I think the Hybrid should be in the Astra size not the Aura size cars IMHO Replies to this message: drwilsc (May 05, 2008 9:16 am) oldcem (Jun 11, 2008 8:13 pm) drwilsc (Jun 12, 2008 4:24 pm) and 1 more...
#1447 of 1463 Re: Hope this helps people posting BAD reviews [bob919344] by dinof May 05, 2008 (9:14 am)
Replying to: bob919344 (Apr 21, 2008 6:16 am) You are correct in saying that the Saturn is a good buy for the money. However, they offer a new warranty attempting to show that their product is just as good as higher priced brands. However, they will not honor their warranty, as in the case of the separating rocker panels................they simply get away with not repairing the panels by declaring that they are a design/manufacturing DEFECT and therefore exempt from warranty coverage. In other words, the problem has to be called a REPAIR in order to qualify for warranty coverage.
#1448 of 1463 Re: 3.5 [phaetondriver] by drwilsc May 05, 2008 (9:16 am)
Replying to: phaetondriver (May 05, 2008 7:17 am) I, too, do not see the place for the 3.5. Many people are choosing the 4 cyl with today's fuel prices. Those who want the power of a V6 and can afford the gas will be more satisfied with the 3.6. The Malibu is doing just fine with no 3.5 L option. Replies to this message: oldcem (Jun 11, 2008 8:13 pm) drwilsc (Jun 12, 2008 4:24 pm) oldcem (Jun 12, 2008 8:02 pm)
#1449 of 1463 6-speed 2.4 by vanman1 Jun 11, 2008 (5:37 pm)
I was reading on the Saturn fans site the new 6-speed with the 2.4L boosts highway mileage to 33 mpg from 30, just about best in class (excluding the Malibu).   Seem like a great option in the $4 / gallon world we seem to have suddenly entered.   That said, I still want a 3.6 XR.
#1450 of 1463 Re: 3.5 [drwilsc] by oldcem Jun 11, 2008 (8:13 pm)
Replying to: drwilsc (May 05, 2008 9:16 am) I guess you don't live in a moutainous state like I do. The 4 cylinder cars I've owned (including Hondas) never did well on fuel economy or longevity. The 3.5 has enough HP so that it doesn't scream at high RPM much, and, its consistently giving me over 30 MPG on business trips. Adding a 6 speed automatic to the 3.5 would improve its EPA numbers , as well as its 0 - 60 numbers. I passed on Malibu because the 3.5 wasn't offered.   Regards: OldCEM Replies to this message: drwilsc (Jun 12, 2008 4:24 pm) oldcem (Jun 12, 2008 8:02 pm)
#1451 of 1463 Re: 3.5 [oldcem] by drwilsc Jun 12, 2008 (4:24 pm)
Replying to: oldcem (Jun 11, 2008 8:13 pm) No I do not live in a mountainous state, but have visited them and I can imagine a 4 banger not being much fun. Still, if you live in such an environment and feel you need a V6, the 3.6 liter is still an option. It is a more refined and powerful engine than the 3.5 for not much more money. Replies to this message: oldcem (Jun 12, 2008 8:02 pm)
#1452 of 1463 Re: 3.5 [drwilsc] by oldcem Jun 12, 2008 (8:02 pm)
Replying to: drwilsc (Jun 12, 2008 4:24 pm) When I priced the Auras - the models with the 3.6 would have cost me about $4K more + the hit on fuel economy. For my business driving the 3.5 fills the bill perfectly. I'm well aware of what a more refined, more powerful V6 runs like. My Saturn's stablemate has a 240 HP 3 Liter in it, and, its substantially quicker than the 3.5 Aura is. Downside is - it gets about 26MPG on premium gas.   Regards: OldCEM
#1453 of 1463 by vanman1 Jul 06, 2008 (4:51 pm)
Has anyone out there tried a 2.4L / 6-speed?   Tested an XR last week and I loved it but will gas spiraling, I may go with an 09 XR-4.
#1454 of 1463 Re: Hope this helps people posting BAD reviews [bob919344] by drwilsc Jul 07, 2008 (3:32 pm)
Replying to: bob919344 (Apr 21, 2008 6:16 am) This is NOT a BMW or a Lexus or Infiniti or any other premium auto   Because of changing job situation, I actually traded in my 07 Aura XR for a 2008 Infiniti G35X, which I am leasing. I've had the Infiniti for a couple of weeks now. The Infiniti stickered about $10,000 more (37K vs 27K).   The Aura actually does hold its own to the Infiniti in many ways. It has many of the same features (leather power everything, etc.) Some similarities and differences:   The Infiniti's leather feels softer and more luxurious   The Infiniti just feels more substantial and solid, like when you close the door or move around in your seat. These first two differences, I feel, are the meat of what the extra 10 grand buys you. You can simply 'feel' the difference.   Both cars have nice sound systems, but the Bose in the Infiniti sounds a little richer.   Both cars handle well, I'd say about the same.   Both cars feel powerful in normal driving, the G35 feels and is a little quicker when flooring it (306 hp vs 252), 0-60 in about 5.5 sec vs 6.5. The Infiniti's accelerator is more difficult to modulate, difficult to go somewhere in between all and nothing. The Saturn's engine note is actually more refined and quieter than the G35's, especially at full throttle.   The Infiniti's brakes are touchier and more powerful.   I do miss several features of the Saturn not on the Infiniti, such as the OnStar, remote start. I had hooked up a Verizon line to the OnStar and that handsfree phone system was more user-friendly than the Infiniti's blue tooth system.   I recently drove a friend's 97 TransAm. While very powerful, it otherwise felt like a dinosaur compared to the Saturn and Infiniti, with mushy brakes, ponderous handling, unrefined engine noises, and uncomfortable seats.   All-in-all, I think the Saturn is a great car for the money. As you said, it is a 20-something thousand dollar car, not a 30-something thousand. Remember that and you will be very happy with it.

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