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Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Car Comparisons, Truck
#809 of 1446 '05 Nismo is Great!
Dec 20, 2005 (2:22 pm)
Nismo rocks. My wife and I went to a Toyota dealership to trade in my 2003 Tacoma 4x4 for a 2005 Tacoma. However, the Toyota people were sharp negotiators even though we were return customers. I was bummed, because I'd been off-roading all over Colorado with my little Taco. Yep, I loved my Taco, even though it was totally anemic in the mountains where I work. We left the Toyota dealership and passed a Nissan dealership. There was a row of Frontiers, so we turned around and gave one a test drive. My wife was immediately sold on the much-improved aesthetics of the Frontier, but I wasn't sure about off-road performance. I made some calls from the cab of the Frontier and a friend confirmed (on the Edmunds web site) a few performance and pricing details. Got a great deal from Nissan, and I am LOVING those 265 horses! Went elk hunting the week after purchase, and the Nismo was flawless on remote dirt logging roads over slushy mud and ice. My hunting partner (he always buys "domestic") was sincerly astonished at the places we went in the Nismo. Got my elk too. I'm sure the '05 Tacoma is very good, but Nissan took care of me and I got a sweet truck at a great price from some very nice sales people. Taking the truck to the desert for some camping as soon as this cold snap wears off.
#810 of 1446 Re: '05 Nismo is Great! [para]
Dec 21, 2005 (3:51 am)
I had a very similar experience with my Toyota dealer a few days ago. I have purchased 3 vehicles from them over the past 10 years, and was confronted with an indifferent attitude. Already had a deposit on my Frontier, but this experience sealed it for me. Glad you are enjoying your NISMO. I am looking forward to picking up my Frontier tomorrow.
#811 of 1446 TOY has rep for bad attitude! @ deal Time!
Dec 21, 2005 (10:19 am)
While they are still very good,I think they are overated now. IMHO!
#812 of 1446 Re: '05 Nismo is Great! [tonyc6]
Dec 21, 2005 (3:00 pm)
I walked off our local Toy lot with a poor impression after a breif discussion on Toyota pricing. The salesperson explained that Access pricing was no longer, but that their selling price was set. When I asked if they would accept an offer he said no. I laughed and walked away not giving him a chance to prove it one way or another. And now, Toyota is set to become #1. Maybe they'll end up going the way of G.M.
At this point, I agree with Critter...Toys are good, but,over rated.
Enjoy your new Frontier Tony! You made a good choice.
#813 of 1446 Overpriced? Overrated?
Dec 21, 2005 (6:17 pm)
Tacomas are high priced, but demand has driven the prices. If you walk off the lot, they could not care less. They can only get so many anyway, and the next guy will take the one you looked at. And he will be happy to see that his truck will have lost less value 3 years down the road than competitors do the day they leave the dealer. I lost less than 20% after 4 years and 60K miles. That is why I went back. The fact that you see 5 or more new Tacomas for every new Frontier on the road proves that Toyota is not having problems with their selling techniques.
#814 of 1446 Re: Overpriced? Overrated? [ustazzaf]
Dec 21, 2005 (8:27 pm)
Maybe not a problem for you but it is for me.
I had the same problem with one of my local dealers and my wife drives a Solara. If they
keep this same attitude in a few years when we are ready to trade she'll not be driving a Toyota.
I might add that the first Nissan dealer I went to would not even talk to me about a trade unless I wanted to sign the paper work for a new truck at the same time. I walked on him faster than I did on the Toyota dealer.
After an accident my wife had a year ago I had it fixed and then took it to the Toyota dealer
to see what it was worth. I wanted to see if there was any loss due to the wreck.
The dealer could not even find where the repair had been done. It is a 2000 model and
was 4 years old with a little less than 40,000
miles. They gave us an estimate that was a little over 50% of the new value.
Of course the same dealer offered me about 35%
of the value of my 2000 Frontier XE KC with
20,000 miles. I ended up getting 73% of my value back on it when I sold it. not too bad for a 4 cylinder truck.
What surprises me the most after all I have heard on this thread is the fact that my Frontier and my wife's Solara sit side by side in the garage and seem to get along famously together.
They are both excellent rides and look good too.
#815 of 1446 Let Toy stew in their arrogance! Buy others TILL!
Dec 22, 2005 (4:33 am)
Buy a NISMO a much better deal and bang for your $$$$. Also looks like Jeep coming out with Gladiator Pickup in late 06. The concept truck looked awesome to me. Then there's Jeep reliability,If they offer the 70,000 warrnty on it then might be worth a look. Dodge Dakota needs more QA on them so they are alternative to TOY! In couple years TOY may have to sing a different song.
#816 of 1446 Re: Let Toy stew in their arrogance! Buy others TILL! [critter1]
Dec 22, 2005 (7:19 am)
I agree, no matter how good your product is if you treat your customers like dirt they will not continue to come back.
I think my wife's Solara is the nicest car I have ever owned, but if they treat me like they did on my truck buy when I am looking for a replacement for her I will not be owning another Toyota.
There are too many cars out there now that are almost as nice and pretty is as pretty does.
#817 of 1446 Car manuf and us consumers
Dec 22, 2005 (9:32 am)
I think car manufactures, Toyota included, are using statistics, demographics etc to go after market share. So don;t be surprise if they don't care to piss you or me once in while as long their targeted audience are in the bags.
Toyota earns it's reputation for reliability, though, my 95 Ford ranger should probably up there as well. I only had to replace the thermostat and EGR sensor other than oil changes. The truck is under mileage at 80k but very sturdy. Now my Audi is different story.
Only time will tell if Toyota will evolve into another GM, I doubt it. GM's problem is not solely reliability, the company reflects our social-security systems (very scarry). It borrows future money today and unfortunately the future is today for GM.
#818 of 1446 2005 Frontier vs. Tacoma
Dec 22, 2005 (3:53 pm)
First, let me say that I'm a professional wetlands biologist, so I took me vehicle selection very seriously. I plan to put 200,000 hard miles on this vehicle before I trade/sell. I have not owned a Toyata or Nissan vehicle before, so no "brand Loyalty" was involved. My choice was limited to the "mid sized" trucks on the market ( full size trucks can be difficult to maneuver in tight places we get into). I drove 5 makes a and finally had to decide between the Nissan and Toyota. I found several more features on the Nissan (boxed frame, 4 disc brakes, top 10 rated engine in the world, etc...) Both seemed to have other pluses and minuses but I finally chose the Nissan because it was the best buy. I have had it for six months and it has 9,500 miles on it. Its performed admirably and easily out performs the F-150 that we also have. It has had no problems, and so far its great. Perhaps I would have been equally satisfied with the Toyota, but Nissan had a better buy and more deluxe options. Hope this was helpful!