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#759 of 1446 Frontier manual trasmission
Nov 30, 2005 (1:12 pm)
For anyone out there thinking about buying a Frontier, here's the verbage sent to the NHTSA:
I purchased a 2005 Nissan Frontier on 5/18/2005. Shortly thereafter, I experienced the transmission popping out of second gear on four occasions. Once on a bumpy road, twice on washboard roads, and once at a traffic light on dry pavement. All roads frequently used by passenger vehicles and traveling at low speeds under 20 mph.
Nissan has attempted to correct the problem by adding wheel weights to the shifter assembly to dampen the shifter vibration and then replace the transmission. Both times I was able to reproduce the problem on washboard road used by passenger vehicles. Nissan then gave me a 2005 SE CC Frontier off the lot and I was able to pop it out of second gear.
I now find myself driving the vehicle knowing that I must be careful when using second gear. The excessive shifter vibration and popping out of gear will cause abnormal wear and tear. I also consider it dangerous for a vehicle to pop into neutral when turning into traffic at an intersection as occurred shortly after the purchase. This issue has never happened while using 4-wheel drive, but doing so could also create a dangerous situation depending on the road being traversed such as exposure to drops and/or the incline on narrow mountain roads. This is a Frontier NISMO, advertised as being able to traverse some rather interesting terrain, yet every time the transmission pops out of 2nd gear, and only second gear, I have been on passenger car roads.
Through a lawyer, I was told Nissan said they would not fix the transmission, but would give me $3000 for my time and inconvenience. I refused. I still must drive this transmission and as it gets worse, I would then have to decide when to use the $3000 to replace it and then the cycle starts over. A letter has been sent certified mail to Nissan (cc: Colorado Attorney General) stating these facts and I have asked them to fix it or buy the vehicle back. Nissan have a design issue that is now in the '05 and '06 Frontiers.
P.S. Love those pictures, toykick. Damn if I'd try that with a Nissan Frontier...
#760 of 1446 Re: Frontier manual trasmission [qwert13]
Nov 30, 2005 (1:23 pm)
That's never happened to me, and I've never heard of any other 2005 Frontier owner with this problem.
Don't believe everything you read, regardless of its origin.
I do appreciate you trying to help out potential buyers, though.
If you tried what was done in those pictures with a Nissan Frontier, you'd do it, but in a little more comfort.
(I'm just picking on you - enjoy your Tacoma)
#761 of 1446 Frontier fuel tank.
Nov 30, 2005 (1:45 pm)
...here's a complaint filed with the NHTSA. Amazing that Nissan puts all those skid plates on the NISMO and neglects this one. Check it out yourself. I noticed it after 4-wheeling and doing a just-in-case check.
WHILE DRIVING MY 2005 NISSAN FRONTIER, I NOTICED A GASOLINE SMELL. I GOT OUT OF THE TRUCK, AND LOOKED UNDERNEATH. GAS WAS POURING ON THE GROUND FROM ON TOP OF THE FUEL TANK. FURTHER INVESTIGATION SHOWED THAT GAS WAS SPRAYING FROM THE FUEL PUMP ALL OVER THE UNDERSIDE OF THE TRUCK, EVEN ONTO THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER. THE AMOUNT OF GAS SPRAYING WAS ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING. THE DEALER TOLD ME THAT THE FUEL TANK HIT A ROCK ON A RECENT TRIP. THIS CAUSED THE FUEL PUMP TO SMASH AGAINST THE BOTTOM OF THE TRUCK AND CREATE THIS PROBLEM. FURTHER INVESTIGATION SHOWED THAT WHEN THE GAS TANK IS FULL, TO 3/4 FULL, ANY IMPACT ON THE CENTER OF THE FUEL TANK, WILL RESULT IN CATASTROPHIC FAILURE TO THE FUEL PUMP LIKE I EXPERIENCED. IMPACT TO THE FUEL TANK IS ALMOST UNAVOIDABLE IN ANY OFF ROAD SITUATION. THE FUEL TANK IS THE LOWEST COMPONENT UNDER THE TRUCK, AND THE MAIN POWER WHEEL IN 4WD IS THE WHEEL DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE FUEL TANK. THIS PROBLEM WILL RESULT IN FIERY DEATH, AND/OR FOREST FIRES. THERE IS NO SKID PLATE KIT AVAILABLE TO PROTECT THE GAS TANK AT THIS TIME. THE DEALER REFUSED TO WARRANTY THIS ITEM THE SECOND TIME IT OCCURRED. A NEW FUEL PUMP COST IS IN EXCESS OF $600.00 THIS IS A POOR DESIGN, AND TRULY WILL RESULT IN DEATH.
By the way, in August I took a week off to 4x4, fish, camp, hike in the Telluride, Silverton, Lake City area of Colorado. I have found that my Frontier NISMO did all right on your average pure crap Colorado 4x4 mountain roads. I then did Ophir, Cinnamon, and Tincup Passes. Because of the way the Frontier responded, I decided NOT to do Mosquito Pass. No way in Hell was I going to destroy this truck there...even though I've done all these passes and many more in the past in a Ranger. Bottom line, for the pure fun the best Colorado mountain passes have to offer, Ford Ranger can take more punishment than Nissan Frontier.
#762 of 1446 Re: Frontier manual trasmission [woodshop28]
Nov 30, 2005 (1:51 pm)
Everything is documented on invoices, including the fact that the second transmission popped out and the one off the lot popped out too. I had a sales person with me. Sorry, my 1989 Honda Civic with 210,000 miles has been on these very same roads at same speed and in 2nd gear...many times. ...And so were my '86 Montero and '94 Ranger.
#763 of 1446 Re: gee [wooddorker]
Nov 30, 2005 (2:26 pm)
Where did you see that?
I'd like to take a look.
#764 of 1446 Re: gee [driver56]
Nov 30, 2005 (2:29 pm)
start here...register (free)...and continue. You'll get to all issues concerning the vehicle you're interested in.
Let me know...
#765 of 1446 Re: gee [wooddorker]
Nov 30, 2005 (2:58 pm)
Please disregard my last post to you. I managed to locate the Edmunds "Editors Most Wanted". Interesting to note that the Dodge Dakota won last year with the Tacoma getting honourable mention. For 06 the Tacoma gets top honour with the Frontier achieving honourable mention.
I also think they're both great trucks!
#766 of 1446 Re: gee [qwert13]
Nov 30, 2005 (3:03 pm)
Actually, I was asking Wooddorker about the "Most Wanted" at Edmunds. I am already aware of mycarstats.com. That's a site that I look over periodically.
Thanks all the same.
#767 of 1446 Re: Frontier fuel tank. [qwert13]
Nov 30, 2005 (3:22 pm)
Type: PASSENGER CAR
Complaint Number: 10116155
2005 TACOMA PRERUNNER. AUTOMATIC-PACKAGE 2. HAD NEW VEHICLE SURGE 3 DIFFERENT TIMES AFTER PURCHASE FIRST WEEK OF MARCH. LAST TIME SENT ME INTO MIDDLE OF BUSY INTERSECTION. THIS WAS TUESDAY MARCH 29, 2005. CALLED DEALER AND THEY SENT A TOW TRUCK. ALL PEOPLE AT DEALERSHIP HAVE BEEN VERY NICE, BUT SAY THEY HAVE FOUND NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. FOUND OUT LAST WEEK, THAT A LADY ON A TEST DRIVE HAD A CAR SURGE THROUGH THE SHOWROOM WINDOW AT SAME DEALERSHIP. I HAVE NO FAITH THAT THE VEHICLE WON'T DO THIS AGAIN. I AM REFUSING TO PICK VEHICLE UP AT DEALERSHIP, EVEN THOUGH I PAID CASH.
#768 of 1446 Re: Frontier fuel tank. [woodshop28]
Nov 30, 2005 (3:31 pm)
quess both Toyota and Nissan suck big time. Long live Ranger and Dakota...(too bad Chevy had to choose the name "Colorado" for a piece of feces).