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Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Car Comparisons, Truck
#509 of 1446 PREFERENCE
Sep 24, 2005 (11:31 am)
I have owned a 2001 Tacoma and currently drive a 2003 Frontier. I was amazed to see that the Frontier was better as a daily use truck. Its been trouble free and was thousands less. I'm not the only one that feels the Frontier is a better daily use truck. Car and Driver or Motor Trend magazines had a comparison on the last model Tacoma and Frontier. The Frontier came out as a better truck for city/highway commuters.
Anyway, I won't get into a drawn out discussion on my Tacoma problems. I will say this, to many people are using Toyota's past glory to justify its higher price and vehicle preference. My Tacoma was a partial lemon and the higher price did not solve that issue. Is the Toyota a bad truck? No. Would I consider a new Tacoma? No. I have two main reasons: 1. My past experience with the Tacoma. 2. A Tacoma out fitted to my requirements doesn't fit in my garage. The 2005 Frontier is better when I factor in past experience, the price and it fits in my garage. Plenty of folks out their use their garage as storage but I actually like my vehicles in the garage.
#510 of 1446 Re: PREFERENCE [goose]
Sep 24, 2005 (1:46 pm)
Interesting problem goose. I've never heard that before. One vehicle at 208" does not fit but the 205" truck does? Or is it that extra 1 inch in height, or 2 inches in width? That's one magical garage.
#511 of 1446 Frontier has a substantial power advantage (29 more HP and 18 more LB-FT)
Sep 27, 2005 (10:17 am)
Toyota has been overstating hp and torque figures and is now using the correct SAE tests for peak hp and torque figures.
Don't believe me? Go to Toyota's website and check out the new specs on the Tacoma: 236 power and 266 torque.
The bottom line is this: the Toyota die-hards (used to be one myself) are most likely going to buy the Tacoma because its a Toyota. For those who are open minded, the Frontier is obviously more powerful and agile. The Tacoma engineers drained all the fun out of driving with loose steering and marshmallow handling. The body lean is scary, and if you've test driven it, you know what I mean.
Are there areas where the Tacoma outshines the Frontier. Sure, there are some. I really like that power outlet and the interior is a more refined, but overall, the Frontier is hands-down the more capable truck. More power+better handling=a better driving experience.
And the cherry on top is: The Frontier costs between $1500 and $3000 less depending on the options you choose.
With 265 HP and 284 LB-FT, the Frontier holds the crown for most powerful mid-sized truck. Nissan did their homework folks. There is a new sheriff in town.
#512 of 1446 Re: Frontier has a substantial power advantage (29 more HP and 18 more LB-F
Sep 27, 2005 (10:49 am)
Yes, we've all seen the new specs. So when is Nissan going to start conducting the new SAE tests?
The '06 Tacoma still has the same engine that has a better 0-60 time than any other midsize truck on the market. Until every car manufacturer complies with this new procedure, HP claims and comparisons are bogus. I'm glad that they finally made a uniform test for everyone. Hopefully this will curb cheating the system. In my opinion, the SAE made a mistake by making this testing procedure voluntary.
Kudos to Toyota for having some balls and complying. Even though they knew they would probably risk some sales due to showing a "decrease" in HP. The Frontier had 20 more HP then and I still bought the Taco. The question is, what does Nissan have to hide? They sure do love their HP claims, featured in every commercial for any Nissan car or truck.
Last time I checked the score was 110,482 to 48,883. Your move Bobby Fischer.
When Nissan finally reviews all it's specs, the '07 Frontier HP will drop as well.
Inflammatory enough for you?
#513 of 1446 Re: Frontier has a substantial power advantage (29 more HP and 18 more LB-F
Sep 27, 2005 (11:29 am)
Nissan's been using the correct SAE test all along. The 265/284 are the correct numbers, just as they've been since day one. Kudos to Nissan for getting it right the first time.
If you want to keep "score," the F-150 would be the best truck on the road, and I think we all know that's not true.
Engine's don't have 0-60 times, vehicles do. The Frontier's engine is more powerful and thats a fact. The Frontier has a stronger and heavier F-Alpha frame, that's a fact. The Frontier has a stronger and heavier bed, thats a fact. All this extra weight let's the less powerful Toyota engine carry the lighter Tacoma to 60mph .1 seconds faster than the Frontier (and don't forget thats 92 vs 87 octane). I can live with that .1 seconds considering all the advantages that extra weight gives the Frontier. It doesn't matter anyway, at 80, 90, 100 mph the Frontier is a half truck length ahead easily. Throw a couple curves in the road, coupled with the Frontier's tighter, more responsive handling, well you get the idea...
#514 of 1446 Re: Frontier has a substantial power advantage (29 more HP and 18 more LB-F
Sep 27, 2005 (12:04 pm)
It's almost unbelievable how little you know about this topic and yet you insist that you're right. Indulge me and look at the bottom of this article page and tell me what it says (from NissanNews published by Nissan Motors):
Yup, you read it right: * All horsepower ratings are per SAE J1349 JUN1995. The OLD testing procedure.
You Frontier owners are pretty funny. Again with the defensive talk. "But the F-150 sold more". Hey, what's the title of this forum? Losers make excuses.
I'll take a lighter truck and it's 22 mpg any day. Why? Because what your talking about is payload and towing capacity. Those ratings haven't changed. Still towing and hauling just as much, but using less of that $3 a gallon gas. Yes, vehicles have 0-60 times and my vehicle is still faster than your POS, whether the SAE says it has 245 HP or 236. I own a Tacoma and I do forget that it's NOT 92 octane. Please read the previous posts.
Go back and eat your Cocoa Puffs. You've been served.
Edit: The actual HP is actually a lot closer than the claims:
http://www.kandn.com/dynocharts/63-9025.pdf (the blue line, soon to be the red line for me)
#515 of 1446 Re: Frontier has a substantial power advantage (29 more HP and 18 more LB-F [boone88rr]
Sep 27, 2005 (12:30 pm)
Boy, this scene is getting nasty. Whatever happened to live and let live? I looked at both trucks and found them both to be good choices. I have mentioned the reason I selected the Frontier over the Tacoma in previous posts on this thread.
If I drove on the highway a lot, which I don't, I would have picked the Tacome hands down. It has a much more comfortable seat for my particular size and weight.
I do not see how either side can say the other drives junk. Both trucks are way above
average and you have to be looking to please a particular quirk in your personality to
be able to say one is better than the other.
Depending on what is most important to me I could have picked either truck and been happy. For my criteria the Frontier was right for me, but tomorrow if there were some
changes in my driving patterns the Tacoma would be right for me.
Let us all be glad for having the choice between two very good trucks and respect the
choice the other guy makes.
#516 of 1446 Re: Frontier has a substantial power advantage (29 more HP and 18 more LB-F
Sep 27, 2005 (1:08 pm)
Dude, chill out. I was mistaken about the Nissan SAE tests. Forgive my error.
Regardless, Frontier's new ratings will still be higher than the Tacoma (the big three in detroit are actually increasing specs under the revised J1349).
Like I said, more power, better handling, stronger frame, better truck. I get 22 mpg on the highway as well. Don't forget, your not saving any money when you need premium fuel.
And don't even dare compare Dyno's from different operators, in different environments. You know better than that.
Bottom line, the Frontier is a more powerful, more agile truck. And it costs much less than the Tacoma. Whats that you say? You use regular fuel. Oh no, there goes another 10HP on the Tacoma. I guess my Frontier will be ahead of your Tacoma at 50, 60, 70, and 80+ mph. The Frontier doesn't need the extra octane for full power.
Nissan Frontier: the most powerful midsized truck on planet earth.
Toyota Tacoma: the most powerful second place truck (well third place if using regular octane, rotflmao)
#517 of 1446 Re: Frontier has a substantial power advantage (29 more HP and 18 more LB-F [keeto625]
Sep 27, 2005 (2:24 pm)
Too bad it's soooooo freakin' ugly!
#518 of 1446 Re: Frontier has a substantial power advantage (29 more HP and 18 more LB-F [keeto625]
Sep 27, 2005 (3:30 pm)
I was just wondering how do you get 22 mpg?Coast down hill?