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You are in the Toyota Tacoma
What is this discussion about?
Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Car Comparisons, Truck
#339 of 1446 Re: im sorry [skytop1]
Jun 14, 2005 (6:33 am)
I don't know how you could consider the Tacomas' frame weak. I witnessed a dealer demonstration in Jacksonville FL where they had the Tacoma and all of the competition (including Nissan) with one wheel on a ramp. The intent is to show body flex. The Tacoma was the only truck that you could open the doors and tailgate on. On most, if you got the door open, it wouldn't shut.
BYW, side curtain airbags are an option.
I've had Toyota's for years and love them. I also had Nissans. Currently, I have a 2005 Tacoma 4 door TRD sport and a 2002 Nissan Pathfinder Limited. To me, the quality of the Toyota is unmatched. My old Tacoma had 240K on it and was never in the shop. Right now, the Pathfinder is in the shop for a check engine light and the Navigation System has a busted button ($3000 to Fix!). The nissan only has 70K on it and just doesn't see to be holding up well.
You don't have to use Premium fuel in the Tacoma. They recommend it for maximum performance, but you can run regular. I usually run 89 and get around 21 MPG.
#340 of 1446 Re: im sorry [imin2mx]
Jun 14, 2005 (9:36 am)
"I don't know how you could consider the Tacomas' frame weak."
How does it tow 6500 with a weak frame?
What's the Frontier's tow rating?
#341 of 1446 Air bag curtains are an option but....available with Nissan.
Jun 14, 2005 (8:00 pm)
Yes, side curtain air bags are an option. So, what is your point? Air bag curtains are an extra cost option typically on all vehicles except the ultra luxury cars like Mercedes, Beemer, Lexus. We are talking about small trucks that can crumple like an empty cigarette pack when involved in accidents. Side air bags are ESSENTIAL. Those that don't acknowledge this fact are bone heads and leave themselves and their occupants at serious risk.
You completely and deliberately side step the point. Toyota does not even offer air bags. That is a critical shortcomming. Nissan wisely offers them and at a very fair price to help save occupants from deadly or critical bodily harm.
I am not attacking Toyota but only stating the serious and glaring differences between the Toyota's vehicle and Nissan's. Please don't respond defensively, for you are wasting your time. There is not need for it.
#342 of 1446 Re: Air bag curtains are an option but....available with Nissan. [skytop1]
Jun 15, 2005 (12:29 pm)
Toyota does offer side curtain airbags on 05 Tacomas.
#343 of 1446 Tacoma/Frontier
Jun 15, 2005 (7:28 pm)
As a fairly new member I have had to spend 3 nights reading this thread to read all of
the posts. I have found a lot of good information along with some just as soon not read
Two months ago I went through this same process of picking a new truck. I looked at
several different trucks, but only drove the Tacoma and the Frontier. At my age I do
not any longer drive hard so I found it difficult to tell one drove better than the other.
As a little background I have owned 2 Toyotas and 8 Datsun/Nissans. I had a 1969
Toyota Crown new. I kept it 6 months and got rid of it as it was in the shop more than it was in my garage. My wife now drives a 2000 Solara which is probably the nicest car
we have ever owned. we have also gotten more compliments on how nice it looks than
any other car we have owned. We have had it 5 years and had to do nothing to it, but drive it and enjoy it.
I have had 5 Datsun/Nissan cars and have never had any trouble other than normal
maintenance on any of them. I have had 3 Datsun/Nissan trucks. A 1977 KC that I
drove for 24 years and 175,000 miles. I had to replace a couple of water pumps and
generators, but nothing serious. I had a 2000 XE KC which I kept for 5 years and
20,000 miles. Again no problems with it. The only reason I don't still own it is the fact
that it did not have enough power with the automatic transmission and the air.
I don't think in this discussion we should even consider the looks as they are purely a
matter of personal taste. It seems like the majority on this thread think the Tacoma is
the best looking. I on the other hand think the Frontier is better looking by far. Just
because I like the Frontier does not make it better looking.
I actually was leaning toward the Tacoma because I liked the bed set up much better.
I thought the Nissan utili-trac system looked a bit too much for the size of the truck
and I thought the bed material in the Tacoma looked better. I also liked the tailgate on
the Tacoma better, It had a counter balance system that made it very easy to use.
On the other hand the Frontier tailgate was very heavy to lift and it has that ugly plas-
tic in the middle of it, a definite turn off for me.
I am 67 years old, 5' 7 1/2" tall, and weigh 133 pounds. That is probably why I found the tailgate to be a problem on the Frontier.
As much as has been said about the interior of the Tacoma being so much better, I did
not like it as well as the Frontier. I found the seats in both to be acceptable, although
neither were nearly as comfortable as the seats in my wife's Toyota Solara. Yes I know
it is a car and not a truck.
When I compared the dealers although neither were what I would call really good the edge did go to the Nissan dealer. None of the salesmen knew very much about their
products. I took the brochures of both and read them and no smarter than I am I knew
more about their trucks than they did.
I found the Toyota brochure to be very difficult to read and pick out the options I want-
ed. I was also daunted at every turn on both when I wanted one thing and had to take
something else I didn't want to get the one thing I did want. I loved the good old days when you could go to the dealer and order each item you wanted separately. I guess
you would call that a line item veto.
The clincher was the price. Toyota offered me a little over $5000 which was not even wholesale on my 2000 Nissan. It was low miles and hardly a scratch on it. They did say that they would knock $1000 off the list price of the Tacoma.
Nissan allowed me $10,000 on my XE plus they knocked $1100 off of the list on their
Frontier. They also offered to let me have several accessories I wanted at their cost.
I did not see about $6000 difference in the two trucks, especially when the Frontier has
more options on it than the Tacoma. I don't think resale would ever make up that differ-
Having said all of that they are both nice trucks and I am sure I could be happy with
either one. I'll have to say that of all of the trucks that I have owned this Frontier has
gotten more compliments than all of the others together. At this rate we will receive
more compliments on it than on the Solara.
Let's all be happy with what we have and be even happier for those who have chosen
the brand we didn't.
#344 of 1446 Re: Tacoma/Frontier [2005lekc]
Jun 16, 2005 (6:22 am)
Thank you Gerald!
Well said enjoy your new truck.
#345 of 1446 Re: June 05 Car & Driver [danielacosta]
Jun 17, 2005 (8:59 am)
I recently bought the Tacoma and my owners manual states the fuel type as regular unleaded. I asked the dealer about it at purchase (I had heard the same "Premium Recommended") and they said no way. You could run premium and maybe get a little perfomance boost, but it is built for regular.
#346 of 1446 Re: Frontier clearly designed by real gear head engineers [skytop1]
Jun 17, 2005 (9:08 am)
Have you actually sat in and driven a Tacoma and Frontier for comparison or just looked at brochures and pictures?.....just wondering how the Frontier interior has more space and room and is more functional than Tacoma??? I guess it's a good thing that those Nissan engineers thought of using a flat slab of plastic for the door panels.....now all those drivers that drive with their leg glued into the door rather than keeping their foot on the floor push pedal or clutch pedal will be much happier????? huh?
#347 of 1446 Re: June 05 Car & Driver [aztechian]
Jun 17, 2005 (10:09 am)
"I recently bought the Tacoma and my owners manual states the fuel type as regular unleaded. I asked the dealer about it at purchase (I had heard the same "Premium Recommended") and they said no way."
Which engine do you have?
The manual that came with my '05 V6 Access Cab clearly 'sez "91 Octane Recommended"
The two different available engines have different fuel requirements.
#348 of 1446 Re: June 05 Car & Driver [wooddorker]
Jun 17, 2005 (11:27 am)
I have the '05 DC TRD Sport. From page 380 of my owners manual:
Fuel Type: 1GR-FE engine -
Unleaded gasoline, Octane Rating 87 (Research Octane Number91) or higher. For improved vehicle performance, the use of premium unleaded gasoline with an Octane Rating of 91 (Research Octane Number 96) or higher is recommended.
For some info on Octane ratings and what you get "at the pump":
Chevron Motor Gas Technical Review
Wikipedia article on petrol
Google search it
From the articles, what you get at the US gas pump as "regular unleaded" is what the manual considers "Octane Rating 87" (the Road Octane Number). The Research Octane Number is typically used outside North America. I could see how this all would be confusing as saying 91 when referring to Research Octane Number coincidentally is the Road Octane Number corresponding to "Premium" fuel.
Bottom line: '05 Tacoma takes regular. You can use premium if you like for better performance, in fact, it's not a bad idea while towing or other strenuous activities.