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Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Car Comparisons, Truck
#162 of 1446 Re: Midsize comparison continued [leob1]
Mar 02, 2005 (4:49 am)
Given that Consumer Reports has recommended the Frontier 7 out of the last 8 years, I think that being recommended for 2005 is a very good bet. Probably the 2004 Frontier will be recommended by next year once additional data is collected. Keep in mind any new model (Toyota, Honda, or Nissan) in its first year is suspect. Just think the latest Camry was only given average reliability in its first model year.
Also, the Lexus GX470 which is related chassis wise to the Tacoma was not recommened by Consumer Reports in its first year (2003). Oh yeah, a not recommended Toyota vehicle; get your facts straight. Lastly the producion plant for the Frontier is more proven, and there seems to be less nagging problems out of the chute than with the Tacoma. The quality difference between these two trucks is still up in the air unless you have your head buried in the Toyota sand.
I have looked at both trucks and they both look good and each has advantages, but I give the nod to the Nissan overall.
#163 of 1446 Re: Taco joke [centralcal]
Mar 02, 2005 (5:27 am)
Toyota does seem to be quite coy about 2005 sales figures for the new Tacoma. Its press releases for the past couple of months have mentioned increased sales for the Tundra and Highlander but have been totally silent on Tacoma sales. What are the year over year numbers for Tacoma sales?
#164 of 1446 Re: Facts/test data, and their *sources* [midnightsun]
Mar 02, 2005 (6:45 am)
How dare you blaspheme the Toyota name with mere facts? Do you not know that blind faithfulness to Toyota is all that matters?
You should be so blessed as to not be able to get your truck into 4 low. Is not that glorious logo good enough for you?
May the Toyota god smile on loeb1 and leave a TRD in your path! Repent and kiss the tranny fin.
#165 of 1446 Re: Midsize comparison continued [bamacar]
Mar 02, 2005 (6:57 am)
PS: The new Tacoma has a lower first gear...hopefully that clears up my typo on "4.7."
I wouldn't consider a production plant proven if the last years model is a model to "avoid" by consumer reports. It was the last of that particular line of vehicles. If it was the first, then thats more acceptable. The Frontier isn't a bad truck regardless and if it's your choice then great, not mine.
#166 of 1446 Re: Midsize comparison continued [leob1]
Mar 02, 2005 (8:59 am)
Have you seen the wizard of OZ?
#167 of 1446 Re: Midsize comparison continued [leob1]
Mar 02, 2005 (10:31 am)
You have never seen a magazine article giving a faster acceleration for the Frontier over the Tacoma? As I already quoted above,
From the same issue of MotorTrend that features Tacoma as truck of the year:
Acceleration tests: 0-60 mph: Frontier 7.6 sec, Tacoma 8.7 sec
As I said, the numbers are a mixed bag, but to say that the Frontier has never earned a faster acceleration time is outright false. Go and confirm the results for yourself in the Feb. 2005 issue of MotorTrend. (Whether their data is false is another matter, but if it is then the rest of their data is also up for questioning.)
You say, "PS: The new Tacoma has a lower first gear...hopefully that clears up my typo on "4.7."
OK, but what is the Frontier's first gear ratio? You cannot claim that the Tacoma's is lower without knowing BOTH numbers. And you still didn't say what the Tacoma's ratio actually is, either, just that it is not your 4.7 "typo". Also, where are you getting the numbers from (sources)? After all the other facts that you have conveniently overlooked, you're going to have to provide some verifiable sources to regain credibility. And the gear ratios have to compare apples to apples: TRD 6-spd to NISMO 6-spd. Maybe even extended cab to extended cab or crew cab to crew cab, because it is possible they have different gear ratios and/or axle ratios. The t-case ratio is the same.
I am beginning to think you have a vested interest in disseminating misinformation. Own a lot of Toyota stocks, maybe?
#168 of 1446 Re: Midsize comparison continued [leob1]
Mar 02, 2005 (10:45 am)
You say, "I looked at the Frontier and didn't want to test drive it. Why?! Too many things I didn't like, such as cheap plastics, a bland instrument panel, not enough storage in the access cab. On one of them the tailgate wouldn't close."
Did those cheap plastics include the inner bed? Oh, wait; have to use the word "composite" instead of plastic because it has some fiberglass "reinforcements" in addition to plastic! You do realize the real reason Toyota used that plastic inner bed was becaue it's MUCH CHEAPER TO MANUFACTURE? How about swirls in the glovebox? (which I consider pretty darned minor, BTW). Bland instrument panel is subjective (I preferred it over Tacoma's Darth Vader center section but that would never deter me from buying Tacoma if I liked its driving characteristics better).
Not enough storage in the extended cab--so did you buy Tacoma Double Cab? Both extended cabs are similar size.
Tailgate not closing you never mentioned before. That's an interesting one. Did it have the sprayed-on liner? (All the ones I opened and closed worked fine, with or without liner.)
Mar 02, 2005 (1:03 pm)
I bought my '05 Tacoma TRD Sport Crew Cab Long Bed in early November. I would've waited for the release of the Frontier for a comparison, but because I'd heard that there would be no long bed CC for the Frontier it was out of the running. I need a long bed. I'm happy with my decision and have been fortunate to not be experiencing some of the problems others have had. No paint chips. No leaks. No cab mount noise.
Even though I'm thrilled with my Tacoma, I was very curious about the Frontier Nismo CC. In person I thought that it was a very nice looking truck. It has nice pull off the line. Very snappy. Maybe the Tacoma has a bit more midrange pull but all in all the trucks seem comparable in overall power. The sport seats in the Tacoma are freakishly comfortable. Especially for my 5' 9" 200lb body. The Frontier seats were different and not so perfect for me but just fine for sure. The Tacoma has just a bit more elbow room for the left arm of the driver. Comparing interior styling is purely a subjective excercise. They're both different and just fine. I like the low set wraparound interior of the Tacoma. Very comfy for a truck and I'm used to it. The Frontier interior was fine in my opinion. The only *but* for the CC Frontier was the backseats. Here's where I really felt that much better about my choice of the Tacoma. Those Frontier backseats are in such an upright position that I felt uncomfortable quickly. It reminded me of a schoolbus seat. In comparison the Tacoma backseats are rather comfortable immediately even with the lack of footspace under the front seats. The backseat is a big thing for me as I will be back there occasionally on long trips to the mountains.
In a world where I didn't need a long bed, I still would've chosen the Tacoma CC over the Frontier CC strictly on backseat comfort alone.
In a world where I only needed and extended cab model, I would most likely have chosen the Frontier this time around for the superior value(options vs. price) and the fact that I love my Infiniti G35.
I realize that this is a rather simplified comparison and that one could sift through every aspect to justify one over the other. As I see it both trucks are a nice leap up from the past models. Either choice is a good choice.
#170 of 1446 Re: Midsize comparison continued [leob1]
Mar 02, 2005 (2:10 pm)
Lets put this way,People like a certain style and thata why what they buy I'm sick of all this, this IS better that not as good bit, but this truck as 5wheeels or the other truck as 8wheels ETc. etc. so get over it already.
they're both Nice trucks,Give us Nissan owners a BREAK AND GET OFF OUR BACKS ALREADY!!
#171 of 1446 Toyota Good, Nissan Bad
Mar 02, 2005 (4:34 pm)
I'm just a caveman. Your big words and fancy figures confuse me. Everybody knows Toyota Good, Nissan Bad. Maybe Nissan OK now, but still not Good like Toyota. No more talk now.