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Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Car Comparisons, Truck
Jul 22, 2006 (6:07 pm)
I just went through the ringer dealing on a new truck. I narrowed it down to a 2006 Taco or Fronty. It came down to the dealership. I like both trucks. The Tacos reputation of quality vs the Nissans price advantage. I drove both trucks and liked them both. But, I found the Toyota dealer to be difficult to deal with. They act like they are doing me a favor fleecing my wallet for a new truck. Their trade in offer was insulting. $3,000 less than Nissan. On top of that Nissan knocked 1,000 off the sticker and gave me another $1500 rebate. They would not talk price, just kept dogging the Nissan. Anyway, I bought a 2006 Frontier XE and am very happy with it. The ride is good, the 5-speed automatic matched to the 4 banger is amazing. Smooth power, feels like a v6. I traded in a 2001 Ford Lariet Supercab. It was loaded with every option Ford offers. I simply could not accept 15 mpg anymore. To my suprise the Fronty is much more fun to drive.
#1272 of 1446 Re: Dealers [ryker1234]
Jul 23, 2006 (7:40 am)
Yep, dealers will make or break a sale. I had to go to three Nissan dealers to find one with some intellect, but the third dealer was the charm -- an excellent sales manager and great staff all the way 'round cinched the deal. Like you, I'm very pleased with my new Frontier.
#1273 of 1446 Re: Dealers [ryker1234]
Jul 26, 2006 (10:58 am)
10-4 Ryker,that was my bigest issue with Toy The dealers mostly suck! When you have #1 product in demand they play hardball on dealing. For the $$$ Frontier delivers, if $$$$ not an issue go for 1 you like best. Personelly I don't think the Tacoma is 2-3k better then Frontier. Opinions are like you know what! everybody has one. My wife describes me as being annal when doing a large purchase,well so be it. I kept my last truck (Nissan) 12 years,before this truck,so yea I do my homework before buying. Goodluck with the new one!
#1274 of 1446 Re: Dealers [critter1]
Jul 26, 2006 (9:34 pm)
The dealers mostly suck! When you have #1 product in demand they play hardball on dealing.
It seems like the dealers are jerks, but if they can sell more vehicles at the list price than the factory can deliver, why bargain? Think about it. If you know you will only get 500 vehicles a month and you know you can sell them all at or above list, what is the incentive to drop the price? When I went looking, the lots looked like a deserted island. One dealer had a half dozen models that were designed for one or two buyers and may still be sitting there. Otherwise, the trucks were sold long before the delivery truck arrived. The number 1 volumne dealer in Wa state told me I would be lucky to see a truck for atleast 3 weeks. That was a week before I bought, and it took them a good month before they called to say they finally had one available.
#1275 of 1446 Tacoma and Frontier Midwest re ustazzaf [ustazzaf]
Jul 27, 2006 (6:51 am)
When you have #1 product in demand...Otherwise, the trucks were sold long before the delivery truck arrived.
In the Midwest the demand for Tacoma and Frontier is very different. Dealers say there is minimal interest in the Tacoma and Frontier so they do not stock many of them since they are poor sellers. Rangers and Colorados outsell the Taco and Frontier by a huge margin.
My opinion is that you can't sell what you don't have!
When I travel to the West Coast I see Tacoma's and Frontiers all over the place!
#1276 of 1446 Re: Tacoma and Frontier Midwest re ustazzaf [moparbad]
Jul 27, 2006 (7:38 am)
It is a vicious cycle in the Midwest (I am from ND). The dealers there don't stock alot of variety, so they don't sell much. If they stocked more, they would sell them, but they do not have the 2 million person base within 30 minutes drive to draw customers from,nor do they have a dealer 10 minutes down the road to trade vehicles with, so they can't afford to stock more. I remember when my dad went looking for a 3/4 ton supercab Ford. They had one. No color choice. No option packages to sort through. They had a red one, so he bought a red one. The next closest was 75 miles. The big 3 can provide a decent business because they also have the bigger trucks that Toy and Nissan don't offer. If you can offer everything from a single cab Ranger to a F600 farm truck, you can afford to sell less of each model. Also, out there, it is not unusual to have 5 trucks on the farm, so if they are all Ford, you will get better service from the local dealer. In the cities, most truck owners have 1. If you only need 1, you are more likely to pick the truck you like rather than the brand. It is weird (cool) to be able to drive down the main drag here and see every model made from Hyundai to Caddy within 10 blocks. Back home, you drove 20 miles North for Ford, 30 miles West for Chrysler and 75 miles East for GM. There were VW, Datsun and Toyota in the area too, but I don't remember anyone I knew buying a Toy new, and only one of each of the others.
#1277 of 1446 Tacoma Ball Joints
Jul 27, 2006 (8:41 am)
I've got a 2001 Tacoma DC, 4WD (bought it new). I had the upper ball joints replaced at about 65,000 miles. When I went to pick up the truck, I noticed that the wires at the top of each grease boot were just wound around loosely, not snugged and twisted tight like they were at the factory. I told the service manager that there was no way that the boots would hold grease (I even showed him how I could slip my finger up inside the boot). He agreed to keep it another day and do the job right. When I picked it up the next day, it was much tighter, but still didn't look like it was as tight as it was when it came from the factory. It cost me about 600 bucks to get it fixed.
Anyway, 13 months and 16,000 miles later, it's starting to shimmy again, so I think the joints are starting to wear out again.
My question is has anyone encountered this before, and if so, did the dealership or any Toyota rep fix the problem properly?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
#1278 of 1446 Re: Tacoma Ball Joints [okhunter]
Jul 27, 2006 (11:21 pm)
Something just doesn't add up. First of all, bad ball joints don't cause a shimmy. Due to the design, they will cause noise when you hit bumps and may very well fail if you hit a bump. Additionally, Toy frontend parts just don't fail at 65K. Of course there are exceptions, but it is not normal. Ya, Toy had a recall for ball joints a few years back because they may fail after 20 years. The shimmy is normally caused by a tierod or rack unit (really the only parts that can feasibly shimmy if loose). Finally, $600 for a couple ball joints is just a little steep (unless you go to the Explorer tire maker). I think someone is putting the screws to you. One more thought. I could swear my Tacoma had front struts which would mean no upper ball joints. I may be wrong there though. My mind is gone South.
#1279 of 1446 Re: Tacoma Ball Joints [okhunter]
Jul 28, 2006 (3:28 am)
okhunter! maybe Toy bought some parts from Chrysler,the Dakota had major front suspension problems some years back it caused a recall if memory serves me. Seriously it could be a design flaw or manfgring defect. Or a dumb service tech! Toy prides it's self on product quality,they will probably make things right. Like any company you may have to be persistant! Good Luck!
Jul 28, 2006 (10:12 pm)
I was wrong about the ball joints. It does have uppers. Spent close to 20 years working on cars and trucks, but NEVER replaced anything on Toys other than tierods that had seized from lack of use (not unusual for Toy). Did replace my struts just because of mileage, but they were not really bad. Quit working when the Tacoma hit 9 years, so I can't talk long term reliability, although 10 years was plenty to develop opinions about some of the other makes.