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#52 of 756 Re: Chrystler 300 [6spdtl] by rrombeiro Feb 15, 2005 (4:50 pm)
Replying to: 6spdtl (Feb 15, 2005 1:53 pm) I was inclined to leave this incendiary flame post alone, but failed (obviously, hence this posting).   6spdtl's post is monumentally misguided. Line-item rebuttals follow below:   "It's a classic form before function design" The platform of the Chrysler 300 is derived from the last-generation Mercedes E-class. In Europe the E-class is the very epitome of function, in fact the car is frequently the taxi of choice in major European cities. Hardly glamorous, but I would assume that 200,000 taxi drivers know a practical car when they see one, right? Score: Chrysler 1, 6spdtl 0.   "The interior is claustrophobic" Seriously, have you sat in any BMW (excluding a long wheelbase 7-series) or Acura lately? Chrysler's "cab forward" design in the early 90's revolutionized interior design and spacious passenger seating. The new 300 utilizes a "wheels at the corners" design to maximize rear-seat hip room, and the car also has one of the longest wheelbase measurements in its class. Score: Chrysler 2, 6spdtl 0.   "The fit and finish are poor and the interior materials are not worthy of a car costing half as much". The popular car magazines have raved about the 300 interior, the quality is excellent, and a car that is half the price of the entry-level 300 would only be about $12,000. I suspect that Kia or Daewoo would not be too anxious to have one of their cars stacked up against the 300 in a car magazine comparison test. In the end, this is simply a baseless dogmatic claim of a knee-jerk American car-basher. Score: Chrysler 3, 6spdtl 0.   "In the engineering aspect, the car is decades behind Japanese or European cars" C'mon....'decades', seriously?!? I'm thinking mid-1980's BMW 5-series (2 decades) or anything from Honda in the 1970's (3 decades). I'm thinking you're wrong. Score: Chrysler 4, 6spdtl 0.   "It's sad that such a large segment of the population buys cars impulsively by silly looks alone" Again -- you're kidding, right? When you use the term silly looks, go take a look anything made by BMW since Chris Bangle took over. So much for those zany European cars, eh? Score: Chrysler 5, 6spdtl 0.   "Anyone can build a huge 8 cylinder to motivate a car to be fast and of course give you 11 miles per gallon in the process (yup its got a HEMI, duh, that's why they stopped building them 30 years ago!)" The 11 mpg figure is cute, but - alas - wrong. The SRT8 is actually rated at 14 city/19 highway (18 combined). By comparison, the Infiniti Q45 makes nearly 100 less horsepower and gets 18/23. In fact, nearly every 250-350hp European and Japanese V8 sedan made today gets mileage in the range of 18/23. So the SRT8 has at least 100 more horsepower, is more fun than a barrel of monkeys and I only pay a 4 mpg penalty???? Even at $2/gallon that will cost me less than $200 per year! What am I missing here? Score: Chrysler 6, 6spdtl 0.   "Consumer Reports wisely reported that the Ford 500 is essentially a better car in every aspect and I concur." Consumer Reports??? Are you buying a car or a dishwasher? Next thing, you'll be quoting Stone Phillips from Dateline NBC (the guy that rigged the GM pickup truck side-saddle fuel tank explosions). Score: Chrysler 7, 6spdtl 0.   "Personally I wouldn't buy either since for the price there are much superior choices offered by the Japanese car makers." This is the only one I can't argue. Buy whatever car makes you happiest with the money you have to spend. One thing is for sure, you won't have to worry about me trolling the forums for your Nissan or Audi or whatever, making up a bunch of lies to amuse myself. In the future, think twice....or better yet -- think once.   Final Score: Chrysler 7, 6spdtl 0. Replies to this message: 6spdtl (Feb 16, 2005 10:52 am) canker (Mar 01, 2005 4:39 am) silverrush (Feb 16, 2005 4:21 pm) srt8dogg (Mar 21, 2005 5:21 am)
#53 of 756 3 questions by kurtamaxxguy Feb 15, 2005 (5:05 pm)
Is America on the binge big time with horsepower and saying nuts to gas economy? Maybe it's because we gotta party before the Oil's too expensive? Whatever.   So, wrt SRT - 8:   1. How back ordered is it? 2. How much extra are you paying for it .vs. MSRP? 3. Who has the add-on kit for even more power (is 425 enough .vs. Vipers' 500? Bugatti's 1000 ?) 4. How often can you rev and race it the way you really want to ? Replies to this message: silverrush (Feb 15, 2005 5:28 pm)
#54 of 756 Re: Chrystler 300 [6spdtl] by silverrush Feb 15, 2005 (5:10 pm)
Replying to: 6spdtl (Feb 15, 2005 1:53 pm) By your name I'm guessing you own an Acura TL ?? What year is it ?? My CL was an '01 as I mentioned above. At the time , this car was constantly compared to the 3 series BMW (which is the other car I was considering at the time.) Saved big bucks buying the Acura. If Acura or should I say Honda had any balls they would build a rear drive V-8 like Chrysler did and Lexus does. Have you drove a 300 ?? I drove one before I ordered my SRT. It was quieter inside than my Acura was !! The interior is HUGE !! (but you have me here , if you own a 2004 or newer Acura TL it's BEAUTIFUL inside !! Chrysler cut corners , needs to work on that !! 425 hp and 420 ft torque will make me forget though !!) The only problem I had was seeing traffic lights if I was the first car in line. Engineering wise , remember this car is built by a German company !! Alot of Benz parts from the E and shared engineering ! It shows when you drive one !! The car is solid !! Anyway , lets talk about those GREAT Honda brakes !! I get every major car magazine including Consumer Reports and read each end to end including this GREAT web site. Every test comparison for the last ten years + , any Honda-Acura finished dead last in stopping distance !! I agree the Japanese build great cars , I bought one , but they lack everything that makes this car GREAT !! Their stuff is BLAND no heart !! Every magazine EXCEPT Consumer Report is GUSHING over the 300 and so am I , I bought one !! If you're so worried about gas mileage you should be on a hybrid forum !! You don't buy a car like this unless your a CAR GUY !! I already own a Ford 500 , but mine is better and it's called a Passat !! REMEMBER , we are talking about a REAL performance sedan here , not a front drive , no torque bad brakes tires have to be rotated every 7000 miles cause the weight distribution is so bad wanna be. (Funny thing is my CL was night and day better than any GM car I every owned !!) If you owned a Lexus GS , LS , Infiniti G35 or a BMW-Audi sedan, I would give you some slack !! Replies to this message: 6spdtl (Feb 16, 2005 12:20 pm) silverrush (Feb 16, 2005 3:56 pm) silverrush (Feb 17, 2005 2:08 pm)
#55 of 756 Re: 3 questions [kurtamaxxguy] by silverrush Feb 15, 2005 (5:28 pm)
Replying to: kurtamaxxguy (Feb 15, 2005 5:05 pm) Almost every V-8 pick-up / SUV gets worse gas mileage than this vehicle. Still , I will have to pay a gas guzzler (FOR CARS) tax !! (They don't !!) Paid just UNDER sticker. Last time I checked this is America. If a guy wants to drive a Hummer he can. I chose this vehicle. What do you drive ??
#56 of 756 re Chrysler 300 by andyman73 Feb 15, 2005 (5:30 pm)
Replying to: 6spdtl (Feb 15, 2005 1:53 pm) So, for 45K, what Japanese V8 powered RWD sport sedans, in the same power range, can we buy?   I don't think the Infiniti big boys are quite there in the power department. But the rest is good.   Lexus, nope much less power, way much more price.   Hmmm...Honda....Nissan...Acura....Toyota...Mazda...Isuzu...Suzuki- ...uhh...what else?   Guess nothing made by Japan, in the same price range compares in power and performance.
#57 of 756 So, for 45K, what Japanese V8 powered RWD sport sedans, in the same power r by rayainsw Feb 16, 2005 (4:15 am)
"So, for 45K, what Japanese V8 powered RWD sport sedans, in the same power range, can we buy? " – andyman73   [First: rrombiero – thanks for the post – saved me from addressing some of those points.]   Now - You are correct in that Infiniti (the M45 I drove last weekend is on my short list) is at approx. $50K for an M45 Sport. And it does have less HP / TQ than the SRT-8. At 13.8 sec. SS Quarter Mile – it is not a slow sedan. Is it quick enough? For who(m)?   The question (one question) is whether or not the other differences between these cars makes enough difference to you to justify the price difference.   The difference between 19 and 23 highway mpg (over 20%) may be significant to some. That would be something like $6.00 each fill for me – once a week. ($30 vs. $36.) Would that break me? No. I am personally more concerned with the range offered. The 19 gal tank on the SRT-8 vs 20 in the M45 combined with the difference in cruising MPG = substantially more frequent refueling . . .   No, I do not believe this sort of comparison (SRT-8 vs M45) deserves a separate thread. They are just too different in too many ways. Yet, some of us are in the (enviable) position of being able to purchase (within some monetary parameters) a coupe, a sedan, a pickup truck or a true sports car. Any of these sub-species of “passenger vehicle” would serve my NEEDS. So it comes down to what I WANT to drive. And with no spousal unit or daughter (now living far away) to influence this decision, I may test drive an SRT-8 – just to see if the acceleration is intoxicating (to me) enough to offset some other aspects.   Just my $.02 worth (subject to an “information guzzler tax”?)   - Ray Choices, (nice to have) choices . . .
#58 of 756 Re: Chrystler 300 [rrombeiro] by 6spdtl Feb 16, 2005 (10:52 am)
Replying to: rrombeiro (Feb 15, 2005 4:50 pm) Having mercedes parts does not a mercedes make (not that anybody would brag about mercedes since has one of the worst reliability records in the industry). For your info the 3oo is not a cab forward design that was the previous version which was based on the intrepid. As for fit and finish and materials, it is simple to sit on the cars side by side and compare, I did. Acuras claustrophobic??? The statement is simply ludicrous as honda has always been considered to have most "open" interiors in the industry. The mileage figures you stated are for the 300c not for the SRT8 which actually has the honor of a gas guzzler tax. Speaking of engine technology the SRT8 has 425HP from a 6.1 liter engine which comes out to 69.7HP/L an acura RL has a 300 HP 3.5liter engine which comes out to 85HP/L not to speak of a honda s200 that produces 120 HP/L. The chrysler 300 is flash for those with little knowledge of engineering (just like the commercials the: GOT A HEMI crowd!!) I'm not an American car basher, just the facts. American car makers can make good cars they simply don't so they have to fall back on marketing since engineering, value and quality are not in their dictionary. The average consumer is slowly but surely educating themselves about these facts as the ever shrinking big three market pie shows. If it weren't for rental cars, deep discounts and rebates americas car companies would be bankrupt. Nothing is as telling as the fact that for the big three car sales are a minority of company revenue, they make more money financing vehicles than making and selling them, what a disgrace! Oh BTW Consumer reports which you so disparage is the oldest car testing publication, has the largest engineering staff (not just grease monkey good'ol boys but guys with PhD's) and the only one that has a reliability database from which to evaluate long term auto reliability (they are not impressed by advertisement money or by ITS GOT A HEMI garbage) and yes the also test refrigerators and other consumer goods quite well! Replies to this message: canker (Mar 01, 2005 4:39 am)
#59 of 756 Re: Chrystler 300 [silverrush] by 6spdtl Feb 16, 2005 (12:20 pm)
Replying to: silverrush (Feb 15, 2005 5:10 pm) Silver I do have a TL. BTW mine came stock with Brembos and has shorter stopping distances than a porsche boxster:) Futhermore, the S2000 has one of the shorter distances of any car so the honda brake thing is a myth, their brakes are just fine. The 8 cylinder in the LS 430 produces "only" 290HP the RL while a 6 has a higher output thus better highway passing power. Cars are not for pulling stumps so torque is of secondary usefulness. A telling point is that GM has decided to use regular Honda V6's in their "performance" Saturn vehicles. BTW its the only good part in them too! The 300 is a good effort (for chrysler) if honda or toyota had made it we would be discussing how far those 2 brands had fallen. BTW, with my limpy 270 HP Acura I eat 300C's for breakfast and have still have space left over for any lexus on the market, again what is funny about that statement is that its not a boast it a plain fact. Replies to this message: silverrush (Feb 16, 2005 3:56 pm) silverrush (Feb 17, 2005 2:08 pm)
#60 of 756 reality check by kurtamaxxguy Feb 16, 2005 (3:19 pm)
I asked the questions to better understand the 300C SRT8 mindset. No doubt it fills a need for many people. It's a pity the Autobahn and Nurburing are not here for them to be driven on. Replies to this message: silverrush (Feb 16, 2005 6:37 pm) kurtamaxxguy (Feb 16, 2005 6:54 pm)

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