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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [Mr_Shiftright] by maryh3
May 05, 2009 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 02, 2009 1:24 pm)

OK -- I followed thew advise of the poster above who told me to Craigslist the repairs and of course, in this recession, I received plenty of responses. Its pretty easy to sort through them though.
 
Had 2 people who seem professional look at it and both said, as I suspected, that the hit just wasn't that bad (and since I'm the one who did it I can verify that I didn't hit her very hard). I think the bumpers on the SHO are just so low that I slid under her bumper hence, an unprotected area was hit.
 
One repairman, that I like, says he can do it for $1000 which includes everything. I picked up the quote for the original body shop ($3000) and noticed they were using some ridiculous things like $795 for a brand new hood and $293 for headlights etc. He and I looked at new and used parts on E-bay, the internet, catalogs etc and I know I can save $1000 off the original quote for parts alone. IOW I think this Craigslist man's quote is pretty reasonable, fair, and he is still making a decent wage. We were "educated" about where to use new and where to use used parts for the repair.
 
I also advertised it on Craigslist for sale as an "AS IS" and have received NO responses. So I have to assume the value is below $500. The way I'm looking at it is that I don't think I can get ANY used car for less than $1500 (the $500 sale price plus $1000 to fix it) that runs as well, still has AC, and with a known history of not being abused. Plus, just about 2 months ago I put new tires and brakes on it (they were the OE brakes).
 
Another factor is the "ego". I came out of church last week and there was a man looking at it and his wife dragging him away and he is telling her "I just want to see which engine it has in it". We do get questions and comments and people looking through the windows at it occasionally. Not a big deal, but I would never get that with a V-6 Honda (yawn). Agree that this should not be a factor in the decision but it can be fun anyhow.
 
So how do you feel about the $1000 quote? I'm pretty comfortable. I will post pictures later.
 
For bolivar -- the leather seats are actually in very good condition. We had an 89 stickshift SHO before we traded it in years ago for this automatic 95 SHO. The 89 leather did not wear well and I remember there were cracks in it. I think Ford may have gotten enough complaints that they changed something so the later model SHO's leather wore better.
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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [maryh3] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 05, 2009 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: maryh3 (May 05, 2009 6:33 am)

Well you'll get what you pay for. You have no recourse with a "moonlighter" if he botches up the car. How's he going to paint it? In his garage? Will the paint match?
 
On the other hand, your argument that you can't find a decent car for $1500 is reasonable---however, we (or at least I) was suggesting that you just buy a clean 95 SHO---in other words a BETTER version of your car, for about $3500.
 
You can argue, and it's not a bad argument either, that you're better off with what you know than what you don't know.
 
Once again, the whole scenario is "marginal". If your position is emotional rather than logical, then you have every right to fix the car, or even spend $10,000 on it--who are we to tell you what to love?
 
but if you want to be coldly logical, your approach is risky---not crazy, but risky.
 
In other words, you could come out all right (and I hope you do) or you could just be throwing good money after bad and end up with something you don't like and doesn't look good.
 
Once again, without photos of the damage, I can't say much more about it.
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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [Mr_Shiftright] by maryh3
May 05, 2009 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 05, 2009 6:51 am)

I am weighing my options especially with the fact that they are almost giving away new cars right now, especially American ones. Fantastic deals on something like a Malibu right now. My teen aged sons however want the SHO.
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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [maryh3] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 05, 2009 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: maryh3 (May 05, 2009 7:51 am)

I'm a big fan of giving teenagers old cars to bang around. In that case, patching it up with used parts might not be a bad idea. With this wrinkle, you are turning my head on this one.
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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [maryh3] by euphonium
May 05, 2009 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: maryh3 (May 05, 2009 6:33 am)

Please reread post #485 as your experience confirms it.
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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [Mr_Shiftright] by jipster
May 05, 2009 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 05, 2009 8:01 am)

I'm a big fan of giving teenagers old cars to bang around
 
Me too. But, a fast car and a teenager together? Hope it is a mature and responsible teenager.
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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [jipster] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 05, 2009 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: jipster (May 05, 2009 10:09 am)

Well a '95 SHO is no faster than most cars these days. It's not like a real zoom-zoom car, like a Mustang or EVO or some such. It's probably 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. That's about 2.5 seconds faster than a Prius, and it's an automatic besides. It's bizarre to say a 7.5 second car is dangerous but a 9.5 second car is "safe".
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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [Mr_Shiftright] by maryh3
May 05, 2009 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 05, 2009 10:50 am)

I agree completely and as one of the posters above already pointed out that in 89, the SHO was very powerful compared to other cars, but since those days a plain old V-6 Honda surpasses it as do many other cars. I checked the safety ratings for it in the past. It had a 4 star crash rating, dual airbags, good handling and this one ain't going to roll like lots of the SUV's many parents buy for their teens -- not bad.
 
Car does have nice torque at at all speeds but if a kid is going to go fast, all cars can and will go fast. All parents have to constantly warn their kids about speed and safety. Showing them articles in the newspaper about teenaged car accidents and deaths does get them listening for a short while. Some cars will cost you more to insure with a teenaged driver, than the cars is worth. There are no right or wrong answers on this issue. Everything is a trade off.
 
I do like the power/torque of the SHO but the transmission is clunky by today's standards.
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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [Mr_Shiftright] by srs_49
May 06, 2009 (3:51 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 05, 2009 10:50 am)

Well a '95 SHO is no faster than most cars these days. It's not like a real zoom-zoom car, like a Mustang or EVO or some such. It's probably 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. That's about 2.5 seconds faster than a Prius, and it's an automatic besides. It's bizarre to say a 7.5 second car is dangerous but a 9.5 second car is "safe"
 
Geech, Shifty - 7.5 sec to 60 is slow??? That's as fast as my '69 Z-28 ran. Of course that is not what it was set up for, as the engine really didn't start to run until 4,000 rpm, so 0-60 and quarter miles times were not a quick as a lot of the other big-block muscle cars.
 
But, there is a big difference, IMO, especially for an inexperienced driver, between a 7.5 sec 0-60 car and a 10 sec one. That's not to say that one is dangerous and the other is not, but it's a lot easier to get into trouble by "punching" the throttle at the wrong time (into a curve, in the rain, etc) with the former than with the latter.
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Re: 1995 Taurus SHO Body Damaged [srs_49] by jipster
May 06, 2009 (5:08 am)
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Replying to: srs_49 (May 06, 2009 3:51 am)

But, there is a big difference, IMO, especially for an inexperienced driver, between a 7.5 sec 0-60 car and a 10 sec one. That's not to say that one is dangerous and the other is not, but it's a lot easier to get into trouble by "punching" the throttle at the wrong time (into a curve, in the rain, etc) with the former than with the latter.
 
Exactly. But, the SHO is quite a bit faster than shifty indicated. The first generation ran 0-60mph in 6.6 seconds (quite a bit faster than a Honda Accord). And while not a sports car, it is a high performance car. To a teenage or younger driver it is all about perception. He is given a "fast" car, therefore there is implicate permission to go fast... and I doubt the handling characteristics of the car equals that of it's acceleration/speed.

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