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Re: 2004 Lexus ES330 Auction Prices [sebring95] by jbaek74
Feb 20, 2009 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: sebring95 (Feb 19, 2009 6:10 pm)

No - it's with Wells.
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Re: 2004 Lexus ES330 Auction Prices [volvomax] by jbaek74
Feb 20, 2009 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: volvomax (Feb 20, 2009 8:08 am)

Thanks again for your help volvomax!
 
Given the low miles, I think I'm going to offer them $12.5k and see if that works out.
Anybody have any other tips on negotiating the best possible price?
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Re: 2004 Lexus ES330 Auction Prices [jbaek74] by sebring95
Feb 20, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: jbaek74 (Feb 20, 2009 9:23 am)

I wouldn't mention the miles if you could help it.
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Re: 2004 Lexus ES330 Auction Prices [sebring95] by volvomax
Feb 20, 2009 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: sebring95 (Feb 20, 2009 9:39 am)

I wouldn't mention the miles if you could help it.
 
That is usually the first question.
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Re: 2004 Lexus ES330 Auction Prices [volvomax] by jbaek74
Feb 20, 2009 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Feb 20, 2009 11:08 am)

Yup, that was the first question..."miles??"
 
To my dissapointment, they said that my offer of $12.5k was not acceptable.
Their best possible price was $14k. When I pushed for a lower price, I was told to call back next week to see if auctions over the weekend could enable them to offer me a better deal. Do they have some kind of a formula based on the auction prices to determine the minimum that they'll take for a lease-end vehicle?
 
Do you guys think $14k is a reasonable price for this car?
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Re: 2004 Lexus ES330 Auction Prices [jbaek74] by sebring95
Feb 21, 2009 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: jbaek74 (Feb 20, 2009 4:36 pm)

How much longer is left on the lease? The closer you get to turn-in the more likely they'll be to negotiate. For curiosity sake, what is the stated residual in the contract? While residuals are based on wholesale value, I don't think $14k sounds like a terrible deal if you like the car and want to keep it. Less is always better, but you do have to take into consideration the fair-market value if you were to try and buy an identical car.
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Re: 2004 Lexus ES330 Auction Prices [jbaek74] by volvomax
Feb 21, 2009 (7:57 am)
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Replying to: jbaek74 (Feb 20, 2009 4:36 pm)

As I have stated before, lease co's don't sell cars for wholesale.
If the car would trade for $12k, then $14k is reasonable as a buy price.
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Re: 2004 Lexus ES330 Auction Prices [volvomax] by sebring95
Feb 21, 2009 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: volvomax (Feb 21, 2009 7:57 am)

Why wouldn't they negotiate to wholesale? That's what the residual was supposed to be predicting in the first place. And a bank like Wells will be into more expenses to take the car in and resell it. Unless they have a retail lot somewhere we don't know about.
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Re: 2004 Lexus ES330 Auction Prices [sebring95] by volvomax
Feb 21, 2009 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: sebring95 (Feb 21, 2009 8:58 am)

And a bank like Wells will be into more expenses to take the car in and resell it
 
Thats what the disposition fee is for.
 
Banks are funny about things like that. They get a price in their fuzzy little heads and they won't get of it.
I've seen VFNA no sale a car at the auction over $250.
I guess they think it will be worth MORE at the next sale.
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Reasonable Margin ? by jayess
Feb 23, 2009 (11:52 am)
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Trying to get an idea of what to consider a reasonable profit margin for a dealer to live with. My '07 Sonata lease expires 1 May, and we're interested in buying it. We'll probably be in the vicinity of 8600 miles below the total mileage allowance. The kbb trade-in value is about $1500 below and the pp $440 greater than the buyout in the documentation. In PA the buyout has to be done via the dealer which I knew but the Hyundai CS rep 'realized' during the pre lease-end phone call when he found he couldn't give me a price. I just said we hadn't decided yet.
I'd much prefer to be closer to trade value but waiting until 2-3 weeks prior to call and make an offer. From their website they have over 100 '09's Sonatas and a dozen or so used - mostly '08's on the lot. I'm hoping they'd rather not have to add, spiffy up, advertise and try to sell another one. Is a few hundred over trade in reasonable ? Any input would be welcome!

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