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Buick Lucerne, Sedan
#580 of 2217 The Good Old Days
Dec 23, 2005 (10:31 am)
If GM can If put a 3.9 Liter engine in the 2006 Impala (3LT/LTZ) with 240 HP they certainly can put the same or similar engine in the 2006 Base Lucerne. I thought Buick was more upscale than Chey, with more powerful engines in their large sedans, whether base or luxury models. For us old timers, remember back in the 1970s, early 1980s when Buick had the Riviera, Lesabre and the Electra 225 (Duce-and-a-Quarter). Even the base models in these cars had strong engines with satisfactory HP. Those were the good old days for Buick.
#581 of 2217 Re: Lucerne [chuck1959]
Dec 23, 2005 (5:06 pm)
The statement you made is the reason why GM is losing its customer base and car market share to Toyota, Honda and other car manufacturers in the U.S. GM is in the process of cutting 30,000 jobs and closing plants in the U.S. due to its management don't care attitude. If GM keeps this don't care attitude regarding making quality cars with modern technology and modern engines to attract new customers and old customers who left GM for other car manufacturers, GM will surely lose more car market share, cut more jobs and close more plants in the U.S.
#582 of 2217 Re: One minor complaint [62vetteefp]
Dec 23, 2005 (7:20 pm)
Thanks. It's 3 slots in the front portion of the console that don't look anything like a normal coin holder. Not sure it's going to work well when trying to put change in there while driving (face it, we all do it), but at least it is there.
#583 of 2217 Re: The Good Old Days [jh1977]
Dec 24, 2005 (12:59 pm)
I think the really good old days for Buick were in the early 50's, before V8 engines. However, the 3.9 engine you are referring to is based on the Citation engine. The 3.9 is new and not available in unlimited quantities. I do not disagree with you that the Lucerne should have a better V6 engine, but I am not sure the 3.6 LaCrosse engine is all that much better than the 3800 which is a cheap engine for GM to build.
GM has lost many customers and that is why they must down size. I think they will need to downsize even more that they have announced.
Dec 25, 2005 (9:00 am)
The Lucerne needs at least the 3.9L as a base engine. The 3800 may keep base cost down a touch but the top line Buick should never have a 197hp engine in 2005. While efficient and smooth, it just doesn't really belong in this car.
Buick needs a new base engine and that new 6-speed auto asap.
#585 of 2217 Re: base [vanman1]
Dec 25, 2005 (4:44 pm)
I think that the basic problem is that GM is stuck with the current line up of "stuff" until they get a new contract with the UAW so that they can close down some factories, including the 3800.
#586 of 2217 Re: base [vanman1]
Dec 25, 2005 (11:05 pm)
I agree with you 100%. Buick is suppose to be GM's upscale division just below Cadallic. The Base Lucerne should have the 3.9 or 3.6 Liter engines.
#587 of 2217 Re: base [jh1977]
Dec 26, 2005 (8:50 am)
An "upscale division" should not be sharing a lowend engine with Chevy. I think that Cadillac and Buick should be GM's upper end divisions and should have OHC (mostly double OHC) engines. Chevy and Pontiac should have lower end vehicles with pushrod engines to the extent that GM continues with any pushrods. As far as the Lucerne goes, I do not think that a V6 is a good engine for what is a large and heavy sedan. I think that the only reason for a V6 in the Lucerne is to keep the base price low enough for some LeSabre owners who want something larger than the LaCrosse but would find the V8 Lucerne too expensive.
#588 of 2217 Re: base [sls002]
Dec 26, 2005 (10:11 am)
You make a good point but I believe the Lucerne should have a third or middle engine, like the 3.9 or 3.6 Liter engine. The Chrysler 300 has 4 different engines, The Dodge Charger has 3 different engines. Having three different engines in the Lucerne would give customers more choices. If customers' resources are limited, they could buy the low price Lucerne with the 3.8 liter engine. Or if customers have more resources, they could move up in price and buy a mid level Lucerne with the 3.9 or 3.6 Engine. If money is not a problem, customers can buy the Lucerne with the V8 engine with all of its luxuries and accessories.
#589 of 2217 Re: base [jh1977]
Dec 26, 2005 (11:48 am)
According to Bob Lutz, a VIP at GM, the intent is to pair Buick against Lexus. Fat chance with OHV engines...
Although I think that Cadillac would be more in line with Lexus, not Buick. Maybe a hint that GM has too many brands...