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Buick Lucerne, Sedan
#2019 of 2217 Lucerne vs Camry
Mar 15, 2006 (11:21 am)
I don't think the comparisons to a 4 Cyl Camry have any merit. I've owned 4 Lexus LS400/430's and a Toyota Tercel and Corolla.
My point is: Toyota isn't perfect. Lexus service in the Boston area is one of the worst I have encountered in a long time. I used to drive a 1989 Buick Park Avenue and it was a fantastic car with great dealer support.
All this talk of Toyota value is overrated. My Park Ave never broke down and when there was a problem it wasn't that expensive to fix it. I just paid $1,700 on a new Power Steering rack for my '92 Lexus LS400 with 97K on it..I've had to nearly sue the Lexus dealer because of fraudulent repairs. Lexus Corporate was no help.
I bet that repair would have been half the $$$ on a Buick. My son's new 2006 Corolla rattles like crazy. The tires are Goodyear Integritys' which got some of the worst ratings on TireRack. Not very impressed with Toyota these days.
The Buick Lucerne is a great car. I've seen them in person and am very impressed. It is a much better value than the Avalon with eye catching styling. I can't think of a single car below $35K that has a V-8. I've driven the ES330 many times and noticed the jerky transmission right away. The new interior of the ES350 is nothing special.
Is the Lucerne perfect? No, but what car in this segment is? All I can say this is one of GM's best cars in a very long time.
#2020 of 2217 Re: Lucerne vs Camry [sv7887]
Mar 15, 2006 (11:39 am)
You were very lucky not to have bought an '87 model year. I had an Olds98 and the window had a whistle to it, the engine stopped running some times. They replaced a mass air flow sensor, programmable operation manager, tried numerous adjustments, and finally changed the crank case sensor. The transmission blew at 62K miles. The paint on the roof top went bad. The handle for the brake release came off. The rear window mirror fell off. I am sure I forgot some stuff, but you get the picture. All of this was in about 3 years time. This was a car that sticker priced around $20K back when. I paid around $18K. About 3 1/4 years, give or take, later the car was a $6k something, trade-in.
As for the Lucerne, if GM is in business, the car has a good reliability record for two years, and I could find a good used V8 for under $20K, I would consider one. Or a DTS. The Lexus line up seems overpriced to me. Nothing too interesting in the low end line-up by Lexus.
#2021 of 2217 Re: Lucerne vs Camry [sv7887]
Mar 15, 2006 (3:25 pm)
"The new interior of the ES350 is nothing special."
Yeah it's only the best in it's class. Every Lexus interior is special. GM interiors are normally awful.
"It is a much better value than the Avalon with eye catching styling."
The Avalon looks just as good maybe better. I doubt the Luceren's resale will match the Avalons. Your point on repair costs are well taken though and the Lucerne looks to be a very good effort from GM. I might give it a look even though I'm barely into my 30's, not 65 like a normal Buick buyer.
#2022 of 2217 Re: Lucerne vs Camry [pmerk28]
Mar 15, 2006 (4:22 pm)
If you think the Avalon looks good I doubt you are in your 30s. The Avalon is not attractive from any angle. Basically it's a bloated camry. The last Avalon was so ugly that everyone is making a big deal about the current one because it's not as bad. Taking the car on it's own merits it isnt that good looking.
"Yeah it's only the best in it's class. Every Lexus interior is special. GM interiors are normally awful. "
Get caught up with the times. I would like you to name 5 terrible GM interiors, not including models being replaced this year like the trucks.
Please check out pics of the Lucerne, lacrosse, enclave, Vue, GTO, Escalade/Tahoe, Impala, DTS, STS, cobalt, torrent, 9-5, 9-7x, etc. before talking about how bad GM's interiors are. The ES350 has a nice interior, but that doesnt mean GM's interiors are bad. I think the DTS' interior is comparable to the new ES, but not the Lucerne. Lexus makes great interiors, but when you check out some of toyota's more affordable offerings like the Corolla, Rav4, Sequoia, Highlander and FJ Cruiser you will Toyota interiors arent all they are cracked up to be. Fake wood can only take you so far. I would take a modern GM interior over a dull Toyota interior any day. Only exception would be the new camry.
#2023 of 2217 Re: Lucerne vs Camry [sv7887]
Mar 15, 2006 (4:55 pm)
You forgot the Crown Vic / Grand Marquis. Maybe the V8 Lucerne is a value, but comparing the base model with the ancient 3800 to a base model Avalon its not even close. I am comparing the two right now although Buick advertises the V8 for 30,000 I have yet to see one on the lot under 34,000 with the V8. You can get an Avalon touring with heated seats, leather and stability control for under 32,000. I haven't started pricing them out yet, but I bet the Toyota will give a much better lease, due to the vehicle holding its value better.
#2024 of 2217 Re: Lucerne vs Camry 
Mar 15, 2006 (6:30 pm)
My first impression of the new Avalon was that they made a car similar to an Oldsmobile. Not too bad, other than a bit awkward up front. The new Camry needs a little re-work on the nose too. Front wise the Lucerne is a bit cleaner looking. Its eyes are a bit big, but I take it that's better to see you with.
As to interiors, it looks like a good job was done on the Lucerne, and Impala, but the Cobalt looks cheap to me.
#2025 of 2217 Re: Lucerne vs Camry [pmerk28]
Mar 16, 2006 (9:29 am)
The discussion of how good an interior looks, seems to me, silly at best. Presumably, if one is driving a car, one is not spending time looking at the interior. Maybe a glance down at the instrument cluster or radio control, but that would be about it. If one does spend lots of time looking at the interior of your car, all I can say is that I really do not want to be on the road when that person is driving!
#2026 of 2217 Re: Lucerne vs Camry [tjc78]
Mar 16, 2006 (9:30 am)
I looked at the dealer inventory around here (online), and found list prices range from $33,000 to $35,000, depending on options. With a few options, the price will be around $32,000 or so. Some listed at $33,000 with a sunroof, so without sunroof the price could be less. Without a trade in, the sticker price is probably negotiable. Leasing is not something I know about, but since BMW's don't depreciate in the first year , they may be the best lease.
#2027 of 2217 Re: Lucerne vs Camry [robchemist]
Mar 16, 2006 (10:35 am)
It isnt really a silly discussion. An interior should reflect the amount of money put into the car, and it should be either at par for the money, or better. But there are times when you have a chance to look at the interior of your car. How about when you are waiting for someone, waiting in traffic and at red lights, or parked.
The interior discussion is also something which makes people look forward to driving their car. I know I would really look forward to a car with a nice interior, such as the new Impala, compared to the old Impala. Or the LeSabre compared to the Lucerne.
#2028 of 2217 Re: Lucerne vs Camry [navigator89]
Mar 16, 2006 (2:47 pm)
Really ergonomics are more important than interior quality. To some degree material quality is subjective anyway so it's hard to get a consensus on a certain vehicle's interior design. I dont believe there are many "bad" interiors on the market today. Some are more dull than others but compared to what was offered 10 or more years ago I think most vehicles today are fine. I definitely dont see a huge gap between GM products and Toyota products in 2006. Many people love the Avalon's interior but I find it kind of cheesy. I dont like the silly door that hides the radio, I dont like how the dash has two different levels and I dont like all the fake metallic trim that will eventually rub off after years of use. It's too over the top and reminds me of Buicks and Oldsmobiles from the 90s.