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#1855 of 2217 Re: 2009 Buick Lucerne [jimmy53]
May 01, 2009 (6:53 pm)
Jimmy you have been had just as I was. I bought an 07 Lucerne CXS (a demo) with 6000 miles on it. From the get go I noticed a vibrating/rumble at various speeds. I took it back to the dealer around 8 or 9 times. They rotated and balanced the wheels; didn't help. Took it back again and they did the same thing again; same result. Took it back again and they said the front rotors were out of round (aka=warped, so they turned them). Didn't fix problem. Took it back again and the dealer said one of the wheels was bent; they replaced it and still no fix. Took it back again and they road force balanced the tires and determined that I had two bad tires which they replaced. No good. Took it in and met with the GM factory rep who said it didn't vibrate that much. He said he had seen them much worsse and told me to turn up the radio - with a straight face. I told him I didn't listen to the radio as it was a disrtraction. Also, both of the front seat belts were defective as was the tire pressure monitor as was the fuel sender as was the window washer fluid ssensor.. When I got home, I parked the car in the drive and for some reason left it running and reved the engine a little at a time and when it got to 1500 rpms, the whole car vibrated. The problem is inside the engine, not in the suspension, etc. I took the car back again and the dealer had the engine and transmission lifted off of their mounts and had it "centered" back on the mounts. This did absolutely n othing for the problem. I brought it back again and this time the service people had a conference call with GM and the engine and transmission were lifted off their mounts and some of the mounts were replaced. Nothing. The car still vibrates whenever the engine is running at 1500 rpms. It is a manufacturing defect in the engine. I filed a lemon law suit. GM offered me $1600 to go away. WTF!! I had paid over $30,000 for the car just 9 months ago and they expect me to live with their crappo car. I told my lawyer that I wanted GM to buy back the car. I was told that they had never seen GM buy back a car with this typoe of problem. The lawyer went back to GM and they offered me $2600!! I don't know what is up with them but I told my lawyer that GM could stick their $2600. The minimum amount that I would even consider is $10,000. I could then use that with the miserable trade in value on this car to get into a Nissan or Honda. GM is a mess. This car which cost me over $30,000 last June is now only worth about $16,000 in trade. It has depreciated $14,000 in 9 months. And it only has 9000 miles on it and is loaded with every option available. It stickered at $42.000 when new. So much for good old GM products. I told the service manaager that all that I really wanted was for them to fix the car. He told me that he could not fix my car - period. And GM was not going to authorize any more attempts to correct the defect. Unbeleivable!!! Whatever happened to Mr. Goodwrench?? Where is he when I need my poor excusse for a car fixed?
#1856 of 2217 Re: 2009 Buick Lucerne [sgtdevlinusmc]
May 01, 2009 (9:15 pm)
I didn't notice a problem. It vibrates that way because it's a V8 and probably needs a less restrictive exhaust. I don't drive at 1500rpm, ever, though. That's lugging the engine and isn't good for it.
#1857 of 2217 Upgrade Lighting on "06 CXS
May 04, 2009 (3:07 am)
I have a 2006 CXS & would like to upgrade the headlights to an HID Xenon setup or at least a bulb upgrade to Sylvania Silverstars. It looks as though you can not replace any front end bulbs without dropping the front bumper clip (absolutely insane). If this is true, is there a shortcut or trick to accessing the front lights and is there a GM mechanic or lighting specialist out there that can direct or suggest a superior product and an appropriate route to take. I want lighting that is long lasting, trouble free, with an installation that is the least complicated and intrusive to the vehicle. Also, I'm in warranty to 2012 and want something that will not conflict with the wiring harness and cause any damage voiding the warranty. I'm in the Phoenix Metro area, so if anyone can recommend an auto lighting specialty shop or product, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! CXSROBB
#1858 of 2217 Re: How is the new 3.9 in the Lucerne [0to60in15mins]
May 05, 2009 (12:13 pm)
To be honest, I hadn't been in the car market since 2008 and hadn't kept up things like engines, etc.
I ended up buying a 2009 Lucerne CX for my mom, with the 3.9 V-6.
Having the 3.5 DOHC in my 2000 Olds Intrigue, I thought this was also an DOHC because it was so smooth and had plenty of pep.
If you want a race car, then you want the V-8.
But the 3.9 V-6 in the car I bought is no slouch.
Mileage during the first tank of gas was 16.5 mpg. But considering that this was the first tank and my mom never drives more than 8 miles at a time....
#1859 of 2217 The Rise and Fall of an Automotive Giant - GM
May 06, 2009 (2:30 pm)
Well, here I sit boken hearted. I have just been asked to leave my dealer's service area by the owner of the dealership because I was "haranguing" his employees. What I was doing was asking for them to fix the vibration in my car - a 2007 Buick Lucerne CXS, no more and no less. Well, evidently I was way out of bounds with my request which was for them to get rid of the annoying vibration which occurs whenever the engine is doing 1500 rpms. Someone on this site said that this is lugging the engine. Well, just glance at your tach; you'll be surprised at just how often it is doing just that when driving. I also requested that they fix the tire pressure monitor which is dead in the water. Well, the owner the el presidente of the dealership in no uncertain terms told me to leave and that they would no longer work on my car. Gee, I wonder why they have a service department and why the car came wilth a warranty which the dealer is not honoring any more. He told me that he would set up an appointment for me at another dealership - my how kind of him. He should have ushered me out of the door when I got stuck with the car which he had driven for 6000 miles and that he knew darn well it was vibrating. His employees told me that he is a real nit picker so I know darn well that he had them trying to fix the vibration, but I guess that they couldn't then either. I accused him of covering up the defect in the car and he said he didn't care. I guess not; he already has my money. When I first arrived in the service area I was told by the service writer that he didn't think that they would work on my car because I had started a lemon law suit. I never knew that action allows the dealer to cease performing repair work on the car under the warranty. But, I guess all bets are off now with GM about to fall flat on their collective face. I never had this kind of problem with the dealer not being able to fix a problem and then just kicking the customer out of the dealership. But then, it is 2009 and all bets are off. At least I can enjoy watching GM crash and burn; they have brought this nightmare on themselves; it is just a shame that a lot of honest hard working people are being made to suffer as collateral damage from this debacle. Semper Fi
#1860 of 2217 My How the (High and) Mighty Have Fallen
May 06, 2009 (2:45 pm)
In my current quest to unburden myself of this poor excuse of a car - the Vibrating Hulk of a Buick Lucerrne CXS (I wonder just what "CXS" means, hmmm??), I did a lot of auto research and testing. And, surprise, surprise, that new kid on the block (well, kind of) Hyundai has quite a nice car which rated an 8.3 in the Edmunds review versus the lowly 6.8 earned by the Buick Lucerne. I should have done my research a year ago ....Well, I think that I am going to TRADE UP FROM BUICK TO HYUNDAI!!! The Hyundai Azera Limited with the Ultimate package is head and shoulders above this Buick dionosaur - an old platform, with an old engine linked to an older transmission with halogen, yes halogen, headlights. I am surprise they don't still use kerosene lamps by golly. I have owned over 40 cars in my 73 years and I have to say that the worst of the lot is by far this %^%^%$% (excuse my language please) Buick Losecerne!!! I hope to unburden myself within the next day or so before its value drops any lower; it has already dropped $14,999 since last June. UNBELIEVABLE!!! Many of the dealers told me that I should get rid of the car before GM declares bankruptcy which they are definitely going to do in June - the one year anniversary of my dumb deal for which I blame myself - I should have known better. Whatever happened to "with age comes wisdom..." Duh on me. SemperFi P.S. If you see an 07 White Buick Lucerne CXS for sale with only 9000 miles on it, just keep walking....
#1861 of 2217 Re: My How the (High and) Mighty Have Fallen [sgtdevlinusmc]
May 06, 2009 (4:57 pm)
Make sure you thoroughly research and test drive the Azera before you trade. Azeras have a well known issue with their suspension. No company currently makes aftermarket struts/shocks for the Azera, so you are at the mercy of Hyundai if you experience issues. You could end up trading one problem for another of equal annoyance.
Also make sure you fully understand Hyundai's warranty. They like to tout their 5yr/60K mile standard warranty (and 10yr/10K mile powertrain), but NOT everything is covered during the 5y/60K miles. There are numerous components that are only covered 3/36, and even some that only have 1/12 coverage. If you are buying used, you will not receive the 10/100 powertrain. Second, and subsequent owners, are only entitled to a 5/60 powertrain warranty.
Resale value on Hyundai is no better than Buick. I just looked at a 2008 Azera Limited with only 7500 miles on it this past weekend (I had considered trading my '06 Impala). Price was $19K. Rumor has it the 2009 Azera will be the last year for the Azera. The Azera also uses halogen headlights. They may be projector beam units, but they are not HID's...just standard halogen bulbs. I found the Azera's interior to feel rather confining. The overall assembly quality and materials were not impressive. The center console creaked if I just touched it, and it felt very flimsy (and this was on a unit with only 7500 miles.) Leather quality was poor. Overall, it was a very disappointing experience. The interior was so unimpressive I never got around to actually driving the car. The dealer actually has 5 of these low mileage '08 Azera Limiteds on the lot and they have all been there for at least a month.
I have owned 10 cars in the past 20 years, 5 of which have been GM vehicles. I used to be a GM fan, but my experience with my current '06 Impala has driven me away from GM in the future. My Impala is 3 years old and has 41,000 miles on it. It was $21K when I bought it new, but now I would be lucky to get $7,000 on a trade. My Impala has been the most trouble-prone vehicle I have ever owned (water pump failure, power steering issues, brake issues, steering shaft issues, peeling trim, numerous interior squeaks and rattles, etc.)
I continue to look for a new vehicle, but it will not be a GM or a Hyundai.
#1862 of 2217 Re: The Rise and Fall of an Automotive Giant - GM [sgtdevlinusmc]
May 06, 2009 (5:06 pm)
You bought the car used IIRC>
Have you checked to see who owned it initially and why they traded it?
I would suspect the dealer hid the existing problem from you. It may have been bought back as a lemon previously.
I'd find out what I had to do for a title check on the car, maybe an attorney that specializes.
Another dealer might be able to check based on VIN to see if it was defective and traded back in. Their VIN check would show service attempts on the car.
#1863 of 2217 Re: My How the (High and) Mighty Have Fallen [sgtdevlinusmc]
May 07, 2009 (1:56 pm)
I would definitely go to another dealer w/ this problem. Our '04 Rainier had a slight vibration in it while turning at parking lot speeds. 3 TIMES to the selling dealer, and they couldn't find it. Finally, I got fed up, and replicated the problem in my driveway. It was the PS hoses vibrating. I brought it back with the newfound info, and told them. They said it was normal for the hoses to flex ( I said shudder). That's when I knew I was dealing with idiots.
I brought it to a competing dealer, told them about it, they put their best mechanic on it, and w/in 5 MINUTES they had found a TSB on the Steering rack. They had it taken care of in one trip !
#1864 of 2217 Re: My How the (High and) Mighty Have Fallen [sgtdevlinusmc]
May 07, 2009 (6:12 pm)
I am surprise they don't still use kerosene lamps by golly.
LOL. Good one.
I just popped in. This is the first I've heard of the Lucerne having problems. I read Consumer Reports religiously and they have it on their recommended list.