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Buick Lucerne, Sedan
#1494 of 2217 Re: 2007 Lucerne [imidazol97]
Jun 05, 2006 (1:50 pm)
They have a graphic simple line chart of say Honda and Toyota and GM and Fords displayed. It indicates far more trouble areas as the years go by. The chart is not pretty. The worse one is GM, which starts having more and more problems per hundred cars as the years tick away in the 4 to 8 year range.
Now they did not say the cars are broken down on the freeway, but indicate that you will have more problems. Could very well be true. Personally, I think the year 2002 on looks more promising for most GM cars for reliability. Would imagine the older the platform and engine, the better your odds. Lucerne is on a Deville chassis and the engines have been time tested. I might consider a Cadillac or Buick. Those two of GM fame seem to be pretty good in most ways, and if bought used, their owners tend to keep them in good running order, and nice a clean.
Maybe the long term chart at CR will look more favorable for GM enthusiasts and first time buyers in a few years. The data JD Powers is collecting indicates Buicks are right up there with the Japan makes. We'll see. Cadillac is an interesting one. You look at some data which shows all these problems per 100 car data, with Cadillac near the bottom, yet the other data doesn't seem to back it up. So Buick is nearer the top and Cadillac is the bottom fish? Best to cross reference every bit of data these days. Seems like everyone's survey data is quite different. Maybe all the techno wizard stuff on a Caddy does make it worse than say a more basic Buick. If true, maybe I will avoid the Cadillac line. But I don't think Caddy is doing so badly on JD Powers surveys. And NO I will not be taking the CR magazine as gospel. I am like others no longer convinced it all makes sense. I do believe as a whole however, the older GMs of 1975-2000 say did, on a average of all their cars, have more problems per car than did the Toyotas and Hondas. This can be cross referenced with say JD Powers. Hyundais were bad too. Both Hyundai and GM have now improved.
#1495 of 2217 Re: 2007 Lucerne [62vetteefp]
Jun 06, 2006 (6:19 pm)
My 94 Park Ave (bought new) has 154,000 miles on it.
12 years of use = Tires,brakes,struts,alternator,and A-C recharge(2 times).
( A Reasonable list I think)
But Engine,(3800 V-6 AND 4 speed transmision are A-OK,
original and trouble free ! (Still gets 30 MPG highway.)
Is 12 years enough to ask from a new car? I think so.
Am looking to Lucerne or Caddy DTS to "retire" my'94 Buick.
#1496 of 2217 Re: 2007 Lucerne [loyalbuickfan]
Jun 07, 2006 (3:46 am)
Isn't it great how dependable they are!
I marvel at how irritated some people are with the dependability of Buicks that they come here to post against the known durability. I see so many of the 92-98 model years driven around our metro area. I haven't seen one by the side of the road.
1993 leSabre 150K, struts, reman alternator
1998 leSabre 130K, UIM, water pump (may not have been seeping, changed anyhow), struts, broken wire to load leveling air pump in rear. Still own and drive more than 2003 leSabre we also own.
2003 leSabre 42K, no problems. Quiet, high gas mileage, roomy, powerful motor and trans combination with torque at lower speeds so I don't have to sound like a 6000 rpm electric router to take off quickly!!! Torque is where it's at, not horsepower at 6000 rpm!
#1497 of 2217 JD Power IQS today at 1:00
Jun 07, 2006 (3:53 am)
IQS is announced today. Be prepared for changes. Life as we know it will be different. Gods will fall. Upstarts will change the game.
#1498 of 2217 Re: 2007 Lucerne [m1miata] (Consumer Reports)
Jun 07, 2006 (9:38 am)
Consumer Reports reliability ratings aren't absolute ratings, they are ratings relative to other makes and models. A model with a "red dot" is one that has significantly fewer problems reported with a particular system. One with a "black dot" has significantly more problems than average. Consumer Reports says that all cars are much more reliable now than in earlier years. The ratings are just designed to give you an idea of how likely you are to have a problem with car X as opposed to car Y. By no means do they show that GM cars are broken-down on the side of the road after 4 or 5 years. (Also, problems reported by respondents to CR's survey are self-defined as "serious" to the respondent. One person might feel a door handle falling off in the first month of ownership is serious, while another might just consider it a normal part of getting the bugs out of a new car.)
#1499 of 2217 Re: JD Power IQS today at 1:00 [62vetteefp]
Jun 07, 2006 (10:07 am)
Yeap, looks like Hyundai leaps over GM and Buicks in the latest Initial Quality Report.
Looks like LaCrosse and Lucerne have some competition to consider.
#1500 of 2217 Long term dependability
Jun 07, 2006 (11:23 am)
Not good news for Buick. Perhaps the long term dependability study due out later this year will show a brighter side.
Of course, JD Power has noted that long term dependability usually tracks initial quality ... so odds are this is an inkling of problems to come, as well.
Jun 12, 2006 (8:53 am)
A promotional magazine seeks to interview Buick Lucerne owners who love their vehicles. Please respond to jfallonedmunds.com by Monday, June 26 with your daytime contact information and a few words about your ownership experience so far.
#1502 of 2217 Re: 2007 Lucerne [imidazol97]
Jun 14, 2006 (6:24 pm)
I sold my 1994 Pontiac Grand-Prix GTP with only 38,000 miles on it because it would cost me $900 on a new alternator then i would have to replace to timing belt again cost $1,000. Anything that broke on the car would cost more to fix than a Mercedes-Benz engine problem. SO when you say that all of these little things went how much did it cost. I thought that american cars are cheaper to work on then foreign cars. Also, after five years of pampering (garage kept and wax six times in the year) the paint started to bubble, fade, peal, rust with holes on the fenders, "quality". I must have been miss lead by people like you that GM makes good cars and things like a bad paint job on a $20,000 car is just normal and deal with it. When I sold its worth was only $4,000. This is suppose to keep me buying a GM vehicle! I would say no.
Currently I drive a 2000 Toyota Solara SE V6. Have 80,000 miles on it and just change the oil, filter and rotate the tires. I get 30 mpg on the highway and 21 mpg in the city. The Grand-Prix only got 20 mpg on the highway and 13 mpg in the city. The Toyota's paint job is flawless and no rust.
Clearly I like foreign cars. The whole family is slowly going foreign.
So GM equals "Garbage Machine!"
#1503 of 2217 Mad Re: 2007 Lucerne [hondaandtoyota]
Jun 15, 2006 (2:39 am)
I see (on the 6 or 8 Forums here that I follow with some regularity) a post like this about once a week or so . .
Typically, it is the first post (it is here) someone makes after signing up at Edmunds.
I have no idea why this was posted in the Lucerne Forum – but my point is, perhaps the Host(s) \ Moderator(s) could create a Forum for exactly (and only) this sort of post:
The New “I Am Mad About [ whatever automotive experience I’ve had ] And I Need To Vent” Forum?
Movin’ on . . .