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Buick Lucerne, Sedan
#1415 of 2217 Re: I saw a Lucerne the other day parked [pmerk28]
Apr 30, 2006 (3:02 pm)
Nothing at all wrong IF Buicks average age stayed at 65 for the next 100 years and kept their profitable volume. Issue was that every year the average age kept going up one year so that in 20 years the average would have been 85!! Not a good thing. They did a great job at engineering great cars for the older set. Too great of a job.
That is why Buick quit designing cars for old folks. Rendezvous average age is around 52. Do not know the age of LaCrosse but probably around 60 or so. Once all the old LeSabres and Parks and Centurys are gone ( in last years data) and with the new Lucerne I think we will see the 2006 average age dropping significantly. With the Enclave it will probably go below 55 in 2007. (Remember average age of all buyers in US is about 45, Camry is 52)
#1416 of 2217 Re: I saw a Lucerne the other day parked [pmerk28]
Apr 30, 2006 (3:48 pm)
You are definitely right about demographics. I am from Pittsburgh and I see a lot of Buicks as well as other GM cars. I recently went on vacation to Williamsburg and Wilmington, NC and since I will be buying a Lucerne I was curious to see how many I saw. I rarely saw a
Buick (2 in three days) or any American car. I kid you not. I saw whole parking lots with foreign made cars. The further North I went the more American cars I saw. So I guess if I was living in Williamsburg or even L. Island I wouldn't buy a Buick either.
#1417 of 2217 Re: I saw a Lucerne the other day parked [62vetteefp]
Apr 30, 2006 (5:44 pm)
Hey, where do you get this data on average age. That's interesting. What's the Accord buyer's age compared to 10 years ago on the earlier model style?
#1418 of 2217 Re: I saw a Lucerne the other day parked [imidazol97]
Apr 30, 2006 (6:23 pm)
I used to have access to this data but no longer. Now I just google it and usually find the data from a reliable source.
#1419 of 2217 Re: I saw a Lucerne the other day parked [62vetteefp]
Apr 30, 2006 (9:19 pm)
Why would anyone name a car the Enclave. Rather strange, and really doesn't roll off the tongue well at all.
Wonder what people actually get in the way of gas mileage with the V8 Lucerne. Gas is now $3.50 for premium in CA, and the regular gas should be up to that level in a couple weeks. The actual difference between the car which gets say 30 Hwy, and one which gets 24 MPG is about $750 per yr. if you drive 15K miles. So if one values the power vs. the gas savings on the smaller V6 or i4 engine at the couple bucks or so a day as worth it, then the car continues to sell in V8. The car is seen as a premium model, so thus those buying may not care too much; having the bucks to pay. That said, there is this panic which usually sets in, like it did in the 70's where big cars sold on the cheap. Used Olds and Cadillacs got really cheap. Actually great deals at the time. Well, unless you drove a lot and paid those horrible - real money- prices back when. And the 55 MPH speed limit - horrible; simply a nightmare.
Would a V6 really be that much better gas wise than the V8? I bet in real world driving, they are pretty close.
#1420 of 2217 Re: I saw a Lucerne the other day parked [m1miata]
May 01, 2006 (4:02 am)
You've exaggerated the yearly gas cost difference for the two cars. At $3/gas it's about $375; at $3.50 it's $437, assuming a 6 mpg difference.
But, according to the Feds, there's only a 2 mpg difference between the Buick V6 and V8 engines. So, the real-world extra cost is about one-third the above numbers.
#1421 of 2217 Re: I saw a Lucerne the other day parked [m1miata]
May 01, 2006 (4:15 am)
Without looking up the numbers-- I'd predict a different pair to compare. The V6 probably will get 22 in local short trips with commutes less than 10 miles each way. The V8 probably 18. This is suburban/rural type driving with stop signs or lights every 1/2-1 miles for trips to the grocery, Office Depot, Lowes, etc.
IF the person is a "more exuberant driver" from signs and lights than I am that V6 mileage might drop a couple more for the luCerne and get closer to the V8.
If the driving involves longer commutes and lots of trips on open road those averages will be more like M1's comparison. But my point is the V6 is great on highway mileage and does closer to the 20 or 19 rating for city/suburban. My suburban driving is 26 roughly from the DIC; my wife's short trips tend to clock in at 23-22. Guess who drives gently?
#1422 of 2217 Re: I saw a Lucerne the other day parked [pmerk28]
May 01, 2006 (8:24 am)
Hey sorry I jumped on you. My Lucerne is so new and I love it so much I am too quick to defend. Of course I have been driving Buicks since 91 and as long as they stay as reliable as they have been for me I will never go with another car. I had an 88 Mercury Cougar with a 5.0 before my 91 Buick but I'll tell you. My Cougar went through 3 engines and a transmission before 75,000 miles. The engine was replaced each time because of major engine knock. Transmission blew overdrive going down the highway. I bought my 91 LeSabre and I'll tell you that six cylinder would run circles around that 5.0 Cougar. After getting 212000 miles with no major issues I was sold on another LeSabre.
Good luck with your search hope you find what fits you. Buick drivers are getting younger and younger and this Lucerne sure is going to help!!! Took a Mercedes down the highway with my wife's car the other night. He was riding my butt so I stepped on it and left him in the dust.
#1423 of 2217 fuel consumption
May 01, 2006 (9:19 am)
While I do not have a Lucerne, my 2002 Seville LS has the same powertrain, the 275 hp V8 with 4T80 transmission and 3.11:1 axle ratio. I get about 29 MPG on long trips where I limit my top speed to 70 MPH. In local driving, where I live about 10 miles from anywhere worth driving to (like the grocery store), I am getting about 23 to 25 MPG. I keep the A/C compressor shut down except for a short use to keep the seals lubed.
#1424 of 2217 Re: I saw a Lucerne the other day parked [lzc]
May 01, 2006 (10:17 am)
I was simply using 30MPG hwy. cars in general as a V6 figure, not the Lucerne, and based it on $3.50 a gallon gas, which is not only possible, it is here now in California. Anyway, the crux is, there is little difference per year, so buy the V8. Unfortunately people freak-out with higher gas prices and tend to start avoiding anything large. Probably GMs strongest point is decent gas mileage in larger cars.
If I decide in a year or two to get a luxo car instead of a sporty fun car, then this one may indeed be on the list to buy - used.
It looks pretty tight and the interior is classy enough. And V8 power again after all these years without it, would be cool. Last V8 I owned was the Mustang 289 V8, sold in 1973.