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Buick Lucerne, Sedan
#1284 of 2217 Competition from Ford
Apr 09, 2006 (9:53 pm)
I read Ford will have a new more powerful 3.5 Liter V6 engine with a new six speed automatic transmission in two of its large cars, the redesigned Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego for the 2008 model year. I hope GM is taking note of this and plan to upgrade the base Buick Lucerne so it can compete with the 2008 Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego. I can't see how the base Buick Lucerne in its current form (dated 3800 V6 engine and four speed automatic transmission) can compete with the redesigned 2008 Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego.
#1285 of 2217 Re: Competition from Ford [jh1977]
Apr 09, 2006 (10:03 pm)
The 500 is a good car. I think the Lucerne will win over customer looking for style though. The big Ford, is a bit bland. It makes the Lucerne look radical in comparison. Isn't the Ford and GM 6 speed the same, as in a joint effort in development, of did I dream all this. For engines, they have the V8 used in the Impala or the 3.9 V6 on hand. The Northstar will be pumped up, no doubt. But why not use the DOD engine from the Impala?
#1286 of 2217 Re: Competition from Ford [m1miata]
Apr 10, 2006 (3:14 am)
6 speed was developed and I believe built i the same GM plant.
3.9 would be a great engine or even the 3.6 when the 3800 dies.
#1287 of 2217 Re: 3.6 [sls002]
Apr 10, 2006 (5:00 am)
They have over a six month supply of these odd looking magnum wagons waiting to be sold. I doubt that they sell even half of what the Lucerne is selling, and the Hemi engine is a pig on gas.
#1289 of 2217 Re: 3.6 [poncho167]
Apr 10, 2006 (6:25 am)
They have sold 13000 magnum's in the first 3 months suggesting that the sales rate is about 40,000 per year. This is not a bad rate considering that there is a sedan version of the magnum. I will agree with you that the hemi is a fuel hog, which is why I would not want a magnum or Chrysler 300C.
#1291 of 2217 sales for the first 3 months
Apr 10, 2006 (7:12 am)
The Lucerne plus DTS sales are about 37,000 or a 150,000 to 160,000 annual rate. The spring and summer sales rate should pick up some. The RWD Chrysler/Dodge platform has sold about double that number. It is cheaper though.
#1292 of 2217 Re: sales for the first 3 months [sls002]
Apr 10, 2006 (7:28 am)
Never kept up with sales numbers, just read that Accord and Camry are the leaders by far, the popular size and price. But if the Lucerne/DTS can sell 150k cars in a model year, that looks impressive in the larger car market. And more impressive if you factor in the price of the CXS and DTS models. Right? Or do they need to sell more to be successful? Sounds like good sales to me.
#1293 of 2217 Re: sales for the first 3 months [fin]
Apr 10, 2006 (7:36 am)
Back when GM was making money, LeSabre + Park Avenue sales were about 200,000; DeVille added another 100,000; Pontiac and Oldsmobile (Bonneville and Aurora) were close to 100,000. These were all on the same platform. I don't know what GM's expectations are for the DTS and Lucerne, but I think less than 200,000 for the pair is not profitable.