Last post on Aug 24, 2007 at 7:41 PM
You are in the Honda Accord
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Honda Accord, Coupe, Sedan
#548 of 577 Re: - [blufz1]
Jun 10, 2007 (6:55 pm)
Have you seen for a fact that there will be no manual transmission on the diesel? I would be another buyer who will look elsewhere if that is true. Does Honda not realize a person who wants a diesel car would also tend to be a person more likely to want a manual?
#549 of 577 Re: - [bamacar]
Jun 10, 2007 (7:00 pm)
I think it's possible they may offer a manual also for the reason you suggest. If they do, we can see if Dudley can coast 55 mpg out of it.
#550 of 577 Diesel/Manual Demand
Jun 10, 2007 (7:54 pm)
Though you will see many loud and vocal posters in many forums ranting about how badly they want manual transmissions, the fact is there is little demand.
It has been proven time and again and automakers reduce production of manual transmissions over time in response.
I think Honda, BMW and maybe Mazda probably attract more manual transmission buyers than Toyota, Mercedes or Ford, but the numbers are low and resale is difficult except for sports cars/roadsters.
I wonder if the same is true for diesels? I keep seeing people posting how they want diesels in this car and that car, but I wonder if they will really sell.
Automakers are dragging their feet with release of diesels. I thought many manufacturers would have new diesel cars ready to be released as soon as the low sulfur diesel became available, but it isn't happening despite many years advance notice that the new, cleaner fuel was coming to the US.
Even VW that had previous mass market diesels in all 50 states before the emissions standards become too strict, has nothing 50 state compliant available now or in the very near future.
#551 of 577 Re: Diesel/Manual Demand [jaxs1]
Jun 10, 2007 (8:22 pm)
The automakers have to wait to be sure there is demand prior to designing and building a car for sale in the U.S. Then the design to production pipeline is 4-5 years. Witness the larger and not particulary fuel efficient cars and giant trucks just now hitting the market.
#552 of 577 Re: Diesel/Manual Demand [blufz1]
Jun 10, 2007 (8:33 pm)
They have had many years to have diesels ready by now especially those automakers that already produce them and are not starting from scratch with a blank slate designing these engines (most especially VW).
People still buy cars beyond what they need. They are not blinking at $3 a gallon gas since is still cheap compared to Europe. The extra 4-5 or more mpg or so between an Accord V6 and and 4 cylinder is often dismissed as "only a few extra dollars a month," so I don't think diesels will catch on at these fuel prices.
When the US has $6 or $7 per gallon gas is when the US will flock to diesels and much smaller cars. Maybe even mass transit.
#553 of 577 Re: Diesel/Manual Demand [jaxs1]
Jun 10, 2007 (8:45 pm)
Disagree. Do the math on 15,000 miles per year and there is a real savings at $3. When the mideast spins off kilter do the math on $4 and $5. I think these diesels will sell like hotcakes. They were never previously popular because gas was cheap and the engines were not very sophisticated.
#554 of 577 Re: - [blufz1]
Jun 11, 2007 (10:22 am)
man i hate being a honda AND vw guy.
#555 of 577 Re: - [dudleyr]
Jun 11, 2007 (10:24 am)
it probably could, but it wont be something that the epa will claim. i was just thinking about what the actual sticker would say. mabye it would be a bit higher.
#556 of 577 Re: - [blufz1]
Jun 11, 2007 (10:26 am)
It can't get 50mpg 'cause it's not a 2.2 and it's an auto
what are you saying? that because its an auto it wont achieve high mileage, or as high as a manual could? Don't most automatics today get better mpg than their manual transmissioned bretheren?
the fact that its a 2.2 and not a 1.9 or 2.0 like in vw is valid, but i dunno about the auto tranny part of it.
#557 of 577 Re: - [eldaino]
Jun 11, 2007 (11:03 am)
but i dunno about the auto tranny part of it.
Even though I believe they are currently rated the same, the Accord's 5th gear in the automatic revs at lower rpms than the manual (to allow for the fear that us stick people who use cruise control might make the engine lug). So for strictly highway mileage, the auto can do the same or better than the stick. City mileage is another story... the stick wins there.