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Sedans Ultimate AWD Sports Sedans
828 messages, Last post on Oct 03, 2009 at 9:40 PM
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 25, 2005 10:22 am) |
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Replying to: allwheeldriv3 (Apr 25, 2005 9:57 am) . And no, we did not make fun of you...we just got a kick out of your point of view. that's all. And yes we ALL sat in the interior of your beloved Volvo 2005 in the NYC auto show. And yes we all have seen (in person not in magazines), the interior of your beloved Volvo....and I am so sorry that this makes you angry, but still is not as beautiful as my "tired A4). Oh, you will make my buddies very angry though, see, you called them "fat-cat golf buddies"...ummmm lets see J (he owns the 55AM) he is 6-2 195lbs; P (owns the BMW 530) he was an all start in Basketball Division 1 in City College (NY) 5-9 190lbs of solid muscles; and yours truly 5-10 180 lbs and play basketball, baseball and snowboarding. See again/??? not all golfers are out of shape dear.... . Jesus! I almost forgot, we have a tee time at Van Cortlandt Park Golf Course in the Bronx at 6:00 am this coming Thursday. PLease feel free to come and we will welcome your 5 stroke. J (55AMG) will be more than happy to take you on your bet....just make sure you don't bring a Volvo to the bet , because he would be very very upset p.s. we don't know it all...........just enough to have an opion
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Not being a real fan of either brand, I am curious. Are all Volvo and Audi owners as touchy as those on this thread? I think a golf tournament, Ryder Cup style, would be great to watch. The losers would have to spend an entire day sitting in the winners' cars. |
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Things are getting too personal. Please stick to the cars. Thanks.
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Replying to: pat (Apr 26, 2005 4:13 am) Once again the S60R is equal in terms of acceleration to the Audi S4 and does so at a lower price and has a driver selectable suspension. R&T indicated how the V70R can out slalom a Corvette. "Hans Nilsson: How a car should handle is a very personal taste. This car (Volvo S60R) is set to be neutral, with a tendency to understeer. We use the oversteer for steering into a curve. In the lower speed range, we have a setting for more rear-wheel drive. We have tested competitors on a racetrack. With an M3 around the track, there was also a tendency to understeer unless you force it to oversteer . I would say that when you go into aggressive oversteering to force a car around a corner, you lose a lot of speed. That is my personal opinion. But, with a clock, you will see that more oversteer is very often not faster, though it is fun." So when you read all these magazines proclaiming how fun it is to oversteer through corners - how practical is it ? How useful is it on the street ? The S60R is a better thoughout car for real world situations. |
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Those are Golf platforms so yeah, they use the VW AWD system, which happens to be a Haldex, like Volvo's. They just don't call it 4Motion because that is VW's trademark name, and Audi just uses Quattro generically. But neither of those are sedans.  Ultimate does not equal practical. In fact it implies the opposite. -juice
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 26, 2005 9:05 am) But isn't the whole point of an AWD sport sedan to have car that is superior in the real world ? not a Dry Track.
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Replying to: dhanley (Apr 25, 2005 8:32 am)
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the "ultimate" AWD sport sedan is the new Bentley Continental. I think when most people think first about "ultimate," they think luxury, exclusivity, and performance. The Bentley fits that definition to a "T." All the others mentioned here are lacking at least on at least one of those attributes, and it's usually exclusivity. Bob |
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Replying to: esf (Apr 26, 2005 6:45 pm) ...That is truly B.S. Last time I checked the Europeans actually consider the S80 T6/Executive versions as smart alternative to costlier versions of the Audi A8 and BMW 7 series. I have issues of European magazines that make the comparison and play the S80 T6 right against the Audi A8. No, Volvo does not sell sedans at the same price bracket as some of their European competitors however that doesn't mean they can't compete. The S80 T6 will still run (despite being the oldest one of these competitors) with the Audi A8 and VW Pheaton. The S60R despite being much cheaper than the S4 will still run with it in terms of performance. I've OWNED both Audi's and Volvos - and have driven some of their latest products. Audi has nothing special going on over Volvo except selling some more expensive models. Audi's are LESS reliable, cost more to maintain and aren't as durable and often sell at a higher price point. Many American's seem to have this perceived superiority of German products (Despite all the data indicating poor reliabiliy for many of the makes)...people still brag about how superior Audi's and BMW's are however both these makes were putting drum brakes on their cars long after the Swedes switched to 4 wheel disc. Hell BMW had drums up until the early 90's on lesser variants of the 3 series.
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