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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, Volvo S60 R, Subaru Legacy, Audi S4, Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA6, Sedan

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#88 of 855 last stand against the audi hordes.... by allwheeldriv3

Apr 25, 2005 (10:57 am)

you guys are too much....the only thing i liked more about the audi's interior was the feel of the leather, and thats it.
 
rjorge3, it's obvious i'm dealing with people that "know it all" because they read Car & Driver on the tiolet....then drive their $55,000+ cars that Consumer Reports told them was nice to the golf course and shoot 110+ and make themselves feel better by mocking an intenet posting(minus the pictures linked to, of course)....of course the owner of a 55AMG(more than twice the price of an S40) is gonna laugh at my post, especially since his wife drives an ugly as sin 2000-2002 S60....the reality of this all is, your buddies have never seen the interior of the 05 S40 and are equating it to the historical aesthetics of volvos of the past...which are, well, hiddious inside and out....however, a lot has changed in the last few years....
 
esf is obviously the only person in this thread that has either a) clicked on the links i provided, or b) actually saw or sat in an 05 S40....he disagree's with me, and thats fine, but atleast he compared the two and gave reasons for his opinions and not..."i showed your post to my ignorant fat-cat golf buddies and they laughed..". rjorge3, i'm glad you and your friends get a kick out of ignorance....tell your buddies with the AMG and 530 i'll play 18 on a course they choose and spot them 5 strokes if they put their cars on the line...you on the other hand can keep your tired A4...

#89 of 855 Audi vs. Volvo by ateixeira

Apr 25, 2005 (11:22 am)

Audi a Haldex? A4s have a center Torsen diffy with traction control managing both axles.
 
The Haldex in the Volvo is primarily FWD and then shifts power quickly, but the Audi is different in that both axles get power all of the time.
 
The systems work very differently.
 
I like the S40's interior design but the materials below waist level leave much to be desired. The Audi is the opposite, wonderful materials with a design that leaves you cold.
 
This discussion almost deserves its own thread.
 
-juice

#90 of 855 Re: Audi vs. Volvo [ateixeira] by swedishiron1

Apr 25, 2005 (1:18 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 25, 2005 11:22 am)
Excuse me Haldex is being used on TT at least. Regardless the performance numbers I have seen from the S60R are on par with Audi S4 but at a lower price point. Isn't this thread about ultimate AWD machines anyway ??? - so the Audi guys are standing up their hero on its "better interior".
 
I think there is less than 10 lb torque difference between the R and the S4 and the Volvo hits it peak torque at lower RPM. Yes the S4 has signficantly more horsepower with it's V8 but don't forget the Volvo S60 R (turbo 5 cylinder) can be purchased and chipped/modded to reach the S4 horsepower and significantly exceed its torque ratings for less than it would cost to buy an S4.

#91 of 855 Re: Audi vs. Volvo [ateixeira] by kyfdx HOST

Apr 25, 2005 (2:38 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 25, 2005 11:22 am)
Haldex on the TT and the new A3....

#92 of 855 LOL....oh my God thanks for the new material [allwheeldriv3] by rjorge3

Apr 25, 2005 (8:33 pm)

Replying to: allwheeldriv3 (Apr 25, 2005 10:57 am)
Allwheeldrive....just wanted to thank you for providing with new material when I meet my buddies this Thursday morning. See??? assumptions is the mother of all _ _ _ _ ups! (mess ups that is!)
 
. And no, we did not make fun of you...we just got a kick out of your point of view. that's all. And yes we ALL sat in the interior of your beloved Volvo 2005 in the NYC auto show. And yes we all have seen (in person not in magazines), the interior of your beloved Volvo....and I am so sorry that this makes you angry, but still is not as beautiful as my "tired A4).
 
Oh, you will make my buddies very angry though, see, you called them "fat-cat golf buddies"...ummmm lets see J (he owns the 55AM) he is 6-2 195lbs; P (owns the BMW 530) he was an all start in Basketball Division 1 in City College (NY) 5-9 190lbs of solid muscles; and yours truly 5-10 180 lbs and play basketball, baseball and snowboarding. See again/??? not all golfers are out of shape dear.... .
 
Jesus! I almost forgot, we have a tee time at Van Cortlandt Park Golf Course in the Bronx at 6:00 am this coming Thursday. PLease feel free to come and we will welcome your 5 stroke. J (55AMG) will be more than happy to take you on your bet....just make sure you don't bring a Volvo to the bet , because he would be very very upset
 
p.s.
 
we don't know it all...........just enough to have an opion

#93 of 855 Cars and golf by mikenk

Apr 26, 2005 (5:00 am)

Not being a real fan of either brand, I am curious. Are all Volvo and Audi owners as touchy as those on this thread?
 
 I think a golf tournament, Ryder Cup style, would be great to watch. The losers would have to spend an entire day sitting in the winners' cars.

#94 of 855 Folks ... by pat

Apr 26, 2005 (5:13 am)

Things are getting too personal. Please stick to the cars.
 
Thanks.

#95 of 855 Re: Folks ... [pat] by swedishiron1

Apr 26, 2005 (7:30 am)

Replying to: pat (Apr 26, 2005 5:13 am)
The interior of the S60R is very beautiful especially when compared to the S4. The Audi's interior I admit maybe screwed together somewhat better but there is NO way it is more beautiful than the S60R. The S60R's interior is LIVELY and has garnered praise - where as I read over and over that though the A4/S4 interior's are well made they can be staid, lacking in warmth.
 
Once again the S60R is equal in terms of acceleration to the Audi S4 and does so at a lower price and has a driver selectable suspension. R&T indicated how the V70R can out slalom a Corvette.
 
"Hans Nilsson: How a car should handle is a very personal taste. This car (Volvo S60R) is set to be neutral, with a tendency to understeer. We use the oversteer for steering into a curve. In the lower speed range, we have a setting for more rear-wheel drive.
 
We have tested competitors on a racetrack. With an M3 around the track, there was also a tendency to understeer unless you force it to oversteer . I would say that when you go into aggressive oversteering to force a car around a corner, you lose a lot of speed. That is my personal opinion.
 
But, with a clock, you will see that more oversteer is very often not faster, though it is fun."
 
So when you read all these magazines proclaiming how fun it is to oversteer through corners - how practical is it ? How useful is it on the street ? The S60R is a better thoughout car for real world situations.

#96 of 855 Audi TT and A3 by ateixeira

Apr 26, 2005 (10:05 am)

Those are Golf platforms so yeah, they use the VW AWD system, which happens to be a Haldex, like Volvo's. They just don't call it 4Motion because that is VW's trademark name, and Audi just uses Quattro generically.
 
But neither of those are sedans.
 
Ultimate does not equal practical. In fact it implies the opposite.
 
-juice

#97 of 855 Re: Audi TT and A3 [ateixeira] by swedishiron1

Apr 26, 2005 (5:19 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 26, 2005 10:05 am)
"Ultimate does not equal practical. In fact it implies the opposite. "
 
But isn't the whole point of an AWD sport sedan to have car that is superior in the real world ? not a Dry Track.

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